Adding a FEL to a 4000

jtcweb · Jul 22, 2012

Hello,

I have a 64 4000 (gas, 4-cyl, row crop) and a
friend it offering to give me a FEL off of a 3000.
Aside from working out a way to mount it it looks
like there will be a problem driving the hydraulics. The tractor it is coming off of has
an adapter bolted to the crankshaft pulley on the
front of the engine and a spline shaft goes out
the front of the tractor to drive the hydraulic
pump that is part of the loader. In looking at my
tractor I don"t have a hole in the front of the
tractor that lines up with the crankshaft. If I"m
missing something let me know.

The tractor does have hydraulics (2 two way valves
under the seat)on it which are not in use. I want
to add a hydraulic top link so I would prefer to
somehow tap the flow outside of the existing
tractor valves to feed the valves on the loader.
Can someone give me a hint on how to do this?

Fordfarmer · Jul 22, 2012

You're right - the rowcrops cannot run the front pump for a loader.
You should be able to feed the valves on the loader from one remote on the tractor, leaving the other free for the top link.

Errin OH · Jul 23, 2012

Couple options

You didn't say so I am going to assume you need two controls for the loader (lift and bucket). I am also going to assume you have 4 ports on the valve (two for each lever).

PTO pump - Tractor hydraulics are going to be slow, usable but slow (flow thing). A PTO pump would have it working just they way it does now on the 3000 using the controls that came with it.

Quick attach couplers - This way you could disconnect the bucket and connect the cylinder. A bit more tricky as you would have to have the bucket on the ground, disconnect both lines with no pressure on them. The connectors should keep the bucket from moving when lifted off the ground. Same deal hooking back up.

Selector valve - A control when the knob is out directs the contol to one device, push it in directs it to the other. Put in line with the bucket (can still lift when cylinder is in use) and you do not have to fiddle with anything, just select the one you want to operate (see link).
Selector Valve

Sean in PA · Jul 23, 2012

(quoted from post at 09:10:44 07/23/12) Couple options

You didn't say so I am going to assume you need two controls for the loader (lift and bucket). I am also going to assume you have 4 ports on the valve (two for each lever).

Errin, I assume that the loader is coming with its own double spool control valve, one for the lift and one fro the bucket. If that is the case, he can use one of the remotes on the top cover for the loader and the other for his hydraulic top link like FordFarmer said.

Jerry Ward · Jul 23, 2012

Yes the loader has it"s own controls for arm and
bucket. I need what amounts to a supply and return,
but I don"t know how to identify them on my tractor.

Tony Jacobs · Jul 23, 2012

Hello jtcweb , Unless the loader on the 3000 Ford you are looking at is a 711 or 722 One arm Loader their is no way you will ever make it fit a Row Crop tractor . You need a loader made for a Row Crop tractor , Ford did make Loaders for Row Crops and their are completely different they have no hydraulic resevoir on them and have to run from a remote off the three point hitch just like you already have . The loader you are looking at now mounts under the front axle of the 3000 and that is what holds the hydraulic oil for the loader . Keep looking for the correct loader that will fit the tractor . Thanks Tony

Errin OH · Jul 23, 2012

Errin, I assume that the loader is coming with its own double spool control valve, one for the lift and one fro the bucket. If that is the case, he can use one of the remotes on the top cover for the loader and the other for his hydraulic top link like FordFarmer said.

True, however unless bailing wire or bungi cord is used, it will take two hands to operate. One to hold the handle under the seat open and the other to operate the loader. With few exceptions controls under the seat do not have a way to tap into the hyds. There are several different makers and most are one unit that bolts directly on the rear housing. There is a version that has controls seperate from the plate, but usally have controls else where, not under the seat. There is really no good way to tap the hyds on an early 4000 period without an adaptor plate.

I actually opt'd for a Ford selector valve for just that reason. I can route the hydraulic flow from the three point to anything I want without tieing up a hand.

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