I have a quick question for people that have owned both - how would you compare a 3000 gas with an 850 gas, both in similar condition? The older model has a 4 cylinder where the newer one has a 3 cylinder, but rated rpm's are within 100rpm of each other. Horsepower and weight looks comparable. I've operated the 800 series tractors before, but never the newer 3 cylinders - anything greatly improved? Thanks for all opinions!
- Thread starter Koolaid
- Start date
Sean in PA
Well-known Member
What transmission and PTO options does the 3000 that you're looking at have? The 850 was a 5 speed transmission with transmission driven PTO. The 3000 could be a 4 speed with transmission driven PTO, a 6 speed or 8 speed with transmission driven or live PTO, or a 10 speed Select-O-Speed with Live PTO (540 only or dual 540/1000 rpm).
Mike Groom
Well-known Member
I've owned both,I prefer the 3000 over the 850,it has better driver visability,8 speed gave better ground speeds for different applications and seemed to have better weight distribution than the 850,the hydraulics will lift more,fuel economy was better and the access to the engine and fuel tank and battery,filters was easier,power steering shouldn't give you a problem.Just my two cents worth.
Texasmark1
Well-known Member
"Re: 3000 vs 850 Comparison".
None!
None!
Texasmark1
Well-known Member
If you are referring to me, I offered my assistance.
I currently have a 2000D and 3000D; had a 4000D and lots of
others. As you probably know the 2000 and 4000's were blue
painted 600 and 800 series tractors.
Just no comparison when looking at functionality. The 4
cylinders had 4 speed trannys with transmission driven PTO's.
They had separate areas for the drive train fluids.
The 3000 has tranny and diff fluids in the same area saving one
seal to have leak on you, differential lock, 6 speed hi-lo tranny,
remote hydraulics, Live PTO whereby I can let the clutch half way
out and engage the PTO and then if I have to move the tractor,
like when boring a hole for a fence post, I can put it in the
appropriate gear and let the clutch further out and allow the
tractor to correct the drill angle, all the while the PTO is still
turning the auger and when properly aligned push the clutch
back to half way and finish out the hole.....try that with a 600 or
800 series.
Mark
I currently have a 2000D and 3000D; had a 4000D and lots of
others. As you probably know the 2000 and 4000's were blue
painted 600 and 800 series tractors.
Just no comparison when looking at functionality. The 4
cylinders had 4 speed trannys with transmission driven PTO's.
They had separate areas for the drive train fluids.
The 3000 has tranny and diff fluids in the same area saving one
seal to have leak on you, differential lock, 6 speed hi-lo tranny,
remote hydraulics, Live PTO whereby I can let the clutch half way
out and engage the PTO and then if I have to move the tractor,
like when boring a hole for a fence post, I can put it in the
appropriate gear and let the clutch further out and allow the
tractor to correct the drill angle, all the while the PTO is still
turning the auger and when properly aligned push the clutch
back to half way and finish out the hole.....try that with a 600 or
800 series.
Mark
Keith Williams
Member
- Location
- Wellsville, Ohio
Texasmark1,
"Live PTO whereby I can let the clutch half way out and engage the PTO and then if I have to move the tractor, like when boring a hole for a fence post, I can put it in the appropriate gear and let the clutch further out and allow the tractor to correct the drill angle, all the while the PTO is still turning the auger and when properly aligned push the clutch back to half way and finish out the hole.....try that with a 600 or 800 series."
Actually in the series, a 86X or 66X would have the same capability.
The poster asked about an 850 so no that tractor would not have the live PTO.
Keith
"Live PTO whereby I can let the clutch half way out and engage the PTO and then if I have to move the tractor, like when boring a hole for a fence post, I can put it in the appropriate gear and let the clutch further out and allow the tractor to correct the drill angle, all the while the PTO is still turning the auger and when properly aligned push the clutch back to half way and finish out the hole.....try that with a 600 or 800 series."
Actually in the series, a 86X or 66X would have the same capability.
The poster asked about an 850 so no that tractor would not have the live PTO.
Keith
Sean in PA
Well-known Member
The early 4 cylinder 2000 and 4000 tractors were basically the same as the 601 and 801 series tractors, but the later 3 cylinder 2000 and 4000 cylinder tractors were as much improved over the earlier 4 cylinder 2000 and 4000 models as the 3000 was.
The 3000 is the better tractor by a fair margin. Better engine. Transmission is bulletproof as crashboxes go. Not so much on the old 5 speed... Power steering on the 3000 is good. Pump will be fine as long as you keep oil in it and change the filter once every 20 years or so...
Hydraulics on the 3000 will be about the same capacity as the 850 but the system is generally more reliable than the 850. Older ones were bad about sticking unloaders...
Beyond that the 3000 inherited the same basic crap braking system and puny front axle that the 850 has so there's no real difference there either way.
Otherwise I'd generally suggest looking for a diesel 3000 or 4000 (3 cylinder) but if the price is right on this and it suffices for what you want, go for it.
Rod
Hydraulics on the 3000 will be about the same capacity as the 850 but the system is generally more reliable than the 850. Older ones were bad about sticking unloaders...
Beyond that the 3000 inherited the same basic crap braking system and puny front axle that the 850 has so there's no real difference there either way.
Otherwise I'd generally suggest looking for a diesel 3000 or 4000 (3 cylinder) but if the price is right on this and it suffices for what you want, go for it.
Rod
i have a diesel 3000 8spd and a few 850's
IMHO.. the 850 is stronger than the 3000.. with no diffy lock on either.. I do more brute work with the 850.
it dripnks more gas than a 3000 gasser or diesel.
I like an 8spd better than a 5spd.. though do not dislike 5's
front axles on both are sub optimal.
one of my 850's has ps.. I like that. ps on any machine is a plus reguardless of what modle it is..
i like the torpedo hood better than the flat. otherwise both are great machines.
brakes about the same.. etc...
if you had bumped the question to a 4600.. I'd lean way over on a 3 cyl side as for the hyds upgrades.. .. filter.. etc..
IMHO.. the 850 is stronger than the 3000.. with no diffy lock on either.. I do more brute work with the 850.
it dripnks more gas than a 3000 gasser or diesel.
I like an 8spd better than a 5spd.. though do not dislike 5's
front axles on both are sub optimal.
one of my 850's has ps.. I like that. ps on any machine is a plus reguardless of what modle it is..
i like the torpedo hood better than the flat. otherwise both are great machines.
brakes about the same.. etc...
if you had bumped the question to a 4600.. I'd lean way over on a 3 cyl side as for the hyds upgrades.. .. filter.. etc..
Ok this interests me - for this application I don't think I'd need to step up to the weight/hp of a 4600, but is a 2600/3600 vastly superior to a 3000 series where I should just look for one of those to begin with? The hydraulics have a filter I take it from what you are saying? Is a 2610/3610 significantly better yet?
I don't think I'd characterize the x600 models as being ~vastly~ superiour... but they do have some upgrades that may or may not matter to you.
The main difference is the hydraulic gear pump that puts out 8.8 gpm vs the piston pump that makes about 5 gpm on the older models. The draft control system is also different... the x600 allows a blending of draft and position control and I find it to be a more responsive system... and mabey a bit mroe user friendly depending on your point of view.
Other main upgrades were related to the charging system (an alternator on the x600) and Stewart Werner balancing coil type instruments vs the AC bi-metal instruments on the old ones.
Hydraulic flow is really the biggest gain... and a lot of the older models were already changed to a Delco alt.... and you'll probably eventually end up tossing the motorolla alt on the newer one in favor of a Delco too...
I'd pay a bit more for a 3600 but not much more.
It's more important to get a good sound tractor or at least a cheap basket case if you want to fix...
Rod
The main difference is the hydraulic gear pump that puts out 8.8 gpm vs the piston pump that makes about 5 gpm on the older models. The draft control system is also different... the x600 allows a blending of draft and position control and I find it to be a more responsive system... and mabey a bit mroe user friendly depending on your point of view.
Other main upgrades were related to the charging system (an alternator on the x600) and Stewart Werner balancing coil type instruments vs the AC bi-metal instruments on the old ones.
Hydraulic flow is really the biggest gain... and a lot of the older models were already changed to a Delco alt.... and you'll probably eventually end up tossing the motorolla alt on the newer one in favor of a Delco too...
I'd pay a bit more for a 3600 but not much more.
It's more important to get a good sound tractor or at least a cheap basket case if you want to fix...
Rod
Texasmark1
Well-known Member
I have had a lot of Fords over the years and prefer them for the
hp area the smaller utilities service, for their simplicity and ease
of parts availability and service by a novice, and convenience of
operation and reliability.
My 4600 as I recall was a 3 cyl, as is my 3000 but the 4600 was
on a much larger/higher frame. Even though it was 3 cyl, it
obviously had more cubic inches...never got into that on the
4600; didn't have to. Obviously the 4600 came about in '74 as I
recall and my 3000 was on the frame the size of the 600-800-
2000 and 4000 4 cldrs.
I would not agree with the comment "vastly superior". Not true.
Mark
hp area the smaller utilities service, for their simplicity and ease
of parts availability and service by a novice, and convenience of
operation and reliability.
My 4600 as I recall was a 3 cyl, as is my 3000 but the 4600 was
on a much larger/higher frame. Even though it was 3 cyl, it
obviously had more cubic inches...never got into that on the
4600; didn't have to. Obviously the 4600 came about in '74 as I
recall and my 3000 was on the frame the size of the 600-800-
2000 and 4000 4 cldrs.
I would not agree with the comment "vastly superior". Not true.
Mark
Similar threads
We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today.
Copyright © 1997-2024 Yesterday's Tractor Co.
All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.
Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters
Website Accessibility Policy