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Brian Allen

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Will my 4600 handle an International/McCormick 10' disc or 10' cultivator?
Sorry I can't find model numbers to give you, but think fairly old.
I posted that I made a deal on these on the implement forum.
My friend is concerned that it might not be enough HP.
I'm looking for input from anyone who has used their 4600 for something similar.
Thanks
Brian
 
dual gang? single gang? offset? bog or leveling blades?

what cultivator points?

got any pics?

10' on a disc is getting big... like in 5000 neighborhood..

soundguy
 
Well... it depends on how deep you drop them in! :)
Seriously... I pulled a Ford 230HD 12' disk behind my 4600 with duals on. Worked the snot out of it, but it would pull it, dropped all the way in, in 3rd on plowed sod, or 4th on unplowed corn stubble.
By cultivator, I assume you mean a field cultivator, or what we call a 'quack digger' (or simply a 'digger') around here? Like an IH VibraShank? I think 10' might be a bit much if you dont have duals or drop it in deep, but I'd sure give it a try. Probably work fine if you're not it sod.
 
In a pinch, I used to pull an Oliver 252 12' finishing disc with a Deere 2030. It had 60 PTO HP, 16.9x30 rears, and I doubt it weighed much more than a 4600. I think you will do OK, but you aren't going to run away with either tool.
 
I think your gonna have problem. I have a 4600su and mainly use an 8ft 3ph. I sometimes pull a 10ft pulltype but just dont have enough power. If you have taller tires i think it would do it though.
 
It has 16.9x30 rear tires, that are about half full of Calcium Chloride solution.
I'll fill them up in the spring.
I think a set of duals would help too.
I'll keep my eyes open for a set. ($$$$)
I guess come spring I'll have the answer to this post!
Thanks all.
Brian
 
I'll take the camera tomorrow, not much to see except lots of white stuff.
souNdguy, take note, it is not sand!
Brian
PS it is a wheeled disc, not sure how old.
 
Power will be sufficient if you can get her hooked... That will be the problem. Duals will help immensley.
I've pulled a 9'6" BushHog tandem disc with our 3930 and it does OK. Neighbours also pull a similar disc with a 4630 (MFWD for both). I can also remember pulling a 10' IH (37 ????) disc with our 5610 for several years. It worked her hard in clay but otherwise did fine in fourth gear.
4600 should be OK with enough rubber and full ballast.

Rod
 
I agree, depends on the depth and soil type. I am pulling a 10' Ford disc with my 4600 SU and power isn't really the issue, it's traction. That said, when I am in the tough stuff, I pull up just a little on the hydraulic lever and she will pull through. This is the tractor with a brand new set of 18.4-30 and with the new tires it is much better than before (by the way, the tires are not loaded at all). It's a great workout for the tractor too! I would definately use them before considering any 3 point hitch discs.
 
I have 16.9x30's also, about 75-80% full of CaCl. If your area is anything like it is around here, finding a set of 16.9x30's is going to be harder than paying for them. Just not much demand, so they go cheap at auctions IF you can find them. I found mine by running a want ad (free) in Fastline. About 6-7 months later, a neighbor had a sale, and he had a set... sold for about $150 (1/2 what I paid). Could have saved me a 4 hour round trip, too.
 
Re tires. Are the duals hard to find?
I know where there is one tire, a great match for one rear tire.

Here are pictures of my finds.

The plow is a Case 3-14 identical to a Ford plow.
I cannot find any identification on the 10' disc other than it was painted green over the red.
The cultivator is a 10' McCormick/International
i50361.jpg
i50362.jpg
i50363.jpg
 
You may get lucky and find a set of duals right away, or yo umay have to hunt a while. Depends on hwat is/was common in your area. Buying a set is nearly always cheaper than putting a set together. Tires, tubes, rims, spacers (bands), clamps, eyes. A set minus some of the hardware (clamps, eyes) can often be a good buy, but be ready to plunk down $$ to get new hardware to make a full set. Paid $25 for a set of 18.4x34's minus all eyes and clamps once... Cost me over $200 for the hardware, but still a good buy.
 
I was told that you should not load the outside tires.
Should they be tires with more wear on the outside, or can they be all the same?
What is the better style of connectors? Or is it a personal choice?
Thanks from a rookie farmer!
Brian
 
That's right, don't load the outer tires. Duals usually have less tread, but equal tread would be OK. Run them with 2/3 the pressure of the inner tires. I've had I think 5 kinds of clamps. All work, some are better than others. I'll try to fiind or take some pics of teh ones that work better for me.
 
Brian, For what it's worth, I pulled a Ford 240/Oliver 292 10 ft disc with a Ford 4000SU for a lot of years. The disc had 28 22" cutaway discs with 9" spacing. the tractor was 2wd with 16.9 x 24 single rears loaded with CACL. I usually disced in 5th gear at about 1800 RPM. The ground was moldboard plowed, but no sod, just winter rye plowed down for green manure!
Let me know if you want more info!
Dave

Edit: I just looked at your pictures, and the Ford/Oliver disc I used was very much the same! The biggest difference I noticed was that the channel across the front of the F/O was straight, not arched! The basic construction is identical therefore I would suspect the weight is similar!
HTH, Dave
 
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