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eddie fisher

03-06-2005 06:41:39




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hi.
can you guys tell me if all the
134 and 172 engines had sleeves
installed from the factory?
thanks ed




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Tonybackache

03-07-2005 19:34:17




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  Sleeves aren't they much better? in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
My Dad's 3600 doesn't have sleeves. When it was rebuilt wouldn't it have went easier & cheaper with the sleeves?



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eddie fisher

03-07-2005 14:31:38




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
thanks
you guys are the best!
eddie



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jhill

03-06-2005 20:16:01




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
I have a 1962 641 with a 134 engine. It has both a screw on oil filter and sleeves and I know it came that way from the factory.



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Wayne in Iowa

03-06-2005 20:58:36




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 Re: sleeves in reply to jhill, 03-06-2005 20:16:01  
Are you saying that the spin-on filter screws directly to the block or is their an adaptor between the filter and the block? There were tractors equiped with adaptors and spin on filters from the factory, but I don't beleive a cartrage type filter could be put on a sleevless engine; but!! My honey of 48 years says I have been wrong "once" before. So it goes. whm



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Wayne in Iowa

03-06-2005 17:54:27




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
The early engine blocks were cast to accept a canaster cartrage type oil filter.They had sleeves. The later engines [about 1962 and up including all blue 4 cylinders] were cast to accept ONLY the spin=on filter. They had NO sleeves. although a lot of the early ones now use a spin=on filter with an adaptor To me,it is an easy to tell,externally, a sleevless block from a sleeved block.HTH whm



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Texas Denny

03-07-2005 17:20:23




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 Re: sleeves in reply to Wayne in Iowa, 03-06-2005 17:54:27  
Wayne, Are they wet or dry sleeves? I can't understand better cooling without sleeves if they are wet sleeves. So they must be dry.
Thanks,



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Wayne in Iowa

03-08-2005 05:46:55




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 Re: sleeves in reply to Texas Denny, 03-07-2005 17:20:23  
Denny. Sorry I didn't get back right away, been gone from home for a big day. They are dry sleeves. There is this very very very small space between the sleeve and the block that some what slows the heat transfer process ever so slightly. Sooo,technically,it is better to go with out sleeves This will probably never be noticed by anyone. A sleeveless engine has to be bored to except sleeves, so just as well bore it to except oversized pistons and then [if you ware THAT out] bore it again for the sleeves. Of course, this a opinion of mine. whm

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Texas Denny

03-08-2005 09:03:29




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 Re: sleeves in reply to Wayne in Iowa, 03-08-2005 05:46:55  
Wayne, I'm with you 100%. I've only had (that I know of) one tractor with dry sleeves - M Farmall. Fortunately, the M was in great condition so I never had to tackle those sleeves. I mostly have worked on Allis which to my knowledge is 100% wet sleeves. Haven't had to do anything with my 8N or 901 but I like to gather the info when I don't need it. If I understand all that has been said, my 1960 901 has dry sleeves. Thanks,

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Kelly Jewell

03-06-2005 16:51:39




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
Eddie, I think it was about 1960 that Ford decided it was cheaper and cooling was better to build a sleevless block in both the 134 and 172 engines. I was in the repair business for several years and we did our own in house engine rebuilding. My partner did all the boring and always said the blocks had nickel added to the bores when the sleeves were left out. Also, we did not sleeve these engines the first time a rebuild was necessary. Oversize pistons .030 or .040 were used with much success. I remember we had 25 tractors at one time stacked up for major engine work. Also, I don't think you will find any stars or diamonds like the early models to identify sleeveless engines. Thanks, Kelly.

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Pernell

03-06-2005 13:19:26




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
Not all of them, I think a lot of your 63 and 64's were sleeveless.



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ErnieD

03-06-2005 08:39:08




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 Re: sleeves in reply to eddie fisher, 03-06-2005 06:41:39  
You will have diamonds preceding and after the serial number if the original engine was sleeved. Our 172 was sleeved.



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