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Wagner Loader question

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Mike N Virginia

09-09-2004 14:32:24




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HI,
I figured out that I have a Wagner Loader model (WM3) does anyone know where I can get an operators manual? I have looked everywhere in the internet but no luck. N-News has some that are close, but no operators manual. Any help here?

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Mike N Virginia

09-10-2004 11:37:11




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to Mike N Virginia, 09-09-2004 14:32:24  
HI All,
I think I may have found a manual, I don't have it yet but if I get it I am thinking of creating a web page that I can scann a copy and post it online, the manual is a copy only and they want way too much for it, so we will see. I will keep you posted.

Mike



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apekim

09-10-2004 08:19:03




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to Mike N Virginia, 09-09-2004 14:32:24  
I have a wagner loader on my 1955 Ford 850 tractor. Tube frame loader with a nice wide bucket. Also have an original snowplow that goes on in place of the bucket. It works great. Tractor has a Pippin Digger Backhoe on it and a steel top with front glass window and wiper. It was all configured and installed at the dealer back in 1955. I will post a few pictures for you to compare.

Mike



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midpiner

09-09-2004 15:15:26




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to Mike N Virginia, 09-09-2004 14:32:24  
I"ve also searched around for Wagner info with no real good results. I know they"ve been out of business for quite a while.
How do you know that you"ve got a WM3? I"ve yet to figure out what differences exist between WM3 and WM4. I don"t have any plates or other identifying marks that I can find. I"ve just compared with photos on this website. I think I"ve got a WM4. I"ve got the WM4 n-news reprints. It"s not much to go on. What do you need to know specifically? I"ve been using mine for a few years. Maybe I can help clear out some of it.
midpiner

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Mike N Virginia

09-09-2004 16:24:04




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to midpiner, 09-09-2004 15:15:26  
Hi,
Thanks for the reply. I found a metal tag on it, I could just make out the Wagner name and a faint WM3 on it, thats about all I could read off of it. I just want to make sure I hook it up right, make sure the tractor I put it on fits ok, change the fluid, etc. I really like having manuals for my old equipment. I plan on putting it on either my 53 Jubilee, which looks like it had one on before, or my 641, which would be my first choice. Any advice would help, like do you put it on jacks to raise it up, or a hoist?

Mike

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midpiner

09-09-2004 20:39:19




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to Mike N Virginia, 09-09-2004 16:24:04  
Well, when I bought this tractor, the loader was on a bunch of wood boxes and cabinets. The previous owner was very concerned that I wouldn"t be able to get it all back together if I used a different method. So, I had it moved out here under a fat tree limb. It took a while because I was scared by all the stories about the dificulties in store for me. I basically hoisted the whole loader using the limb and two come-alongs. I used some jacks to position the tractor to get to the right height and level. The rear mounting brackets have position pins that get you close and 2 large bolts per side to cinch it up. Once you have the rear mounted, the front goes easily. The pump shaft needs to be attached and the big bolts connect to the front motor mount. I think the biggest problem you"ll have will be routing the hydraulic hoses and clamps in the right places. I"d get a bunch of photos of other tractors with loaders to find where to put the control valve plate etc. With the loader mounted, the hood won"t open all the way and making gassing it up a bit more trouble. Also, the battery is hard to get to with all the extra metal. You"ve probably read my "saga" about changing the fanbelt. I"ve had to remove the loader once to change the clutch and had no problem with all the aforementioned expectations. It takes about a week to get it all together if you have all the parts. There"s always something left over and something missing. I really like working on these things. I wish there was more documentation. I also have an 8N and would not recommend a loader for anything that small. Power steering is a must. The loader made of all that pipe is quite heavy and definitely loads up the front wheels. When you put something in the bucket, the problem gets worse fast. Anyway, I hope I"ve told you something that helps. Let me know if you want more. I"m out here in the boonies and like conversation.
midpiner

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Billy NY

09-10-2004 10:24:59




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to midpiner, 09-09-2004 20:39:19  
I'm in the same boat here with the Wagner loader on a '55 850, and now that you brought up the fan belt dilemma, I have to laugh, although it's not funny, there was no concievable way to change that sucker, as the front mounted pump hits against the 2 vertical steel straps which protect it, maybe I did not solve the puzzle correctly, but I carefully cut off one strap, so I could move the pump forward enough to create a space to pass the belt through to the pulley, I honestly could not see a better way, except taking the loader off, which is ridiculous to change a fan belt LOL ! I figure I'll modify those straps to be removable eventually, no way I'll weld it back in place, unless there is a trick to this, I was careful and am pretty good with a torch and my Miller NT 251 trailblazer,so I could easily restore it to original, but boy is that fan belt a fun one if you can't move that front pump forward. I cannot imagine that since 1955 the belt has not been changed, especially on this well worked tractor, they must have took the loader off to do so.

I am surprised, mine has held up all these years, it had all kinds of stress cracks & breaks, poor repairs, someone really worked this one, it now has an external reservoir for hyd. oil, but after doing some repairs, some good solid welds with stiffeners added, it's held up great. These do not look all that bad to re-hab, so I think when I eventually to a ground up on this one, I'll hack off the bad areas and replace with new steel and good solid welds. I'd like to get rid of that reservoir too, and use the frame again, after a careful cleaning.

I've been getting away without the power steering, although mine came with it from the factory, it's just been unhooked by the previous owner, pump is there as is most of the rest, it's next on my list !

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09-10-2004 14:52:01




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 Re: Wagner Loader question in reply to Billy NY, 09-10-2004 10:24:59  
I restored a WM5 Wagner and installed it on a 640 Ford. New hoses, paint, and crankshaft coupler. Works great, definitely need the wheel weights. Mine had the Wagner tag on it that identified it. I bought the manual reprints from N-News and they were great. Even told what kind and size bolts to use to mount it. I don"t have power steering but I can live without it for what I use the tractor for, we didn"t have any power steering on the tractors back on the farm. I solved the hood problem by hole sawing a hole in the hood on the centerline of the gascap. I know that"s kinda of hokey but I use my tractor and it makes it alot easier to fill with gas. I figured if I ever wanted to make it a collector I"ll replace the hood. I saw a wagner loader at Baraboo with the Wagner decals on it. Looked nice but I never found the owner to find out where they got them or if they were original. HTH

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