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MikeO

06-27-2003 07:51:21




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I put a new radiator in it a couple of years ago...but it always creeps up to the red. I stop and cool it down, check the water and fill as necessary, then mow for a bit until it gets hot again.

Anyone have this problem?




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MikeO

07-01-2003 17:39:55




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
Well, it had run hot before, but prior to starting this season I replaced the head gasket. At that time I put in a new thermostat as well. Got everything cleaned up and flushed the oil and water.

Getting good flow of water as viewed through the top.

Have not checked actual temp, but I will. Note that when I stop, it often spits water out the overflow...I am assuming due to expansion and overheating?

Need to check timing and carb settings. Note also that I just rebuilt the carb and it has never run better! :o)

Thanks for all of the ideas, I will be following up on all of them!

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Joe (TX)

06-28-2003 19:55:57




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
There is also the chance that you have a cracked head. Not a pleasant thought but a possibility.



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ErnieD

06-28-2003 12:40:19




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
One other post hinted at engine timing. I will also add too lean a carb mix, and will the drain on the side of the engine drain? They will sludge the cooling passages and not cool well the bottom of the engine.

Fan shroud, clogged cooling fins, too much antifreeze, bad stat, miscalibrated gauge. All set right you ought to be able to draw max power (plowing or chopping) @ 90ºF and not move the needle.

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moline

06-27-2003 19:32:18




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
ATWA had a very good and often overlooked point.Check the shroud around the fan.I was a Ford/New Holland mechanic for many years and I saw a load of 600 to 900 and 2000 and 4000 industrial tractors without the shroud.They tend to get rusty and are bent and damaged easily.The tractors ran fine without them until put under a heavy load and then the heat would creep up to hot.Without the shroud,the fan pulls air from the sides and around the rad instead of through it.Just my 2 cents worth.Moline

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Dan

06-27-2003 16:06:10




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
I have the same problem and have replaced the radiator because the old one had a hole in it. I also changed hoses and belt. When I fired it up after filling it with coolant, I noticed that the water was circulating fast while it was still cold. I knew then that someone had removed the stat.

Let me state here that it is not good to run any vehicle without a stat. A thermostat keeps the engine running at a constant temp and actually slows down the flow of coolant so it does not zip through the radiator without enough time to release the heat it is carrying.

After I replaced the stat and fixed my loose rear wheel bearing, I immediately took it out into the bottoms and stuck it up to the axles. No, I did not do this on purpose. When I got stuck, I worked it back and forth trying to get out until I had it burried so deep I thought it might disappear altogether if it had not been for the vertical exhaust pipe. We then got monsoon weather and it was stuck out there for a month. It finally dried up and I got to drive it out two days ago.

After I got it out, I mowed with it and after an hour or so noticed that it was nearing the red on the temp guage. I cleaned the chaff off the radiator and it still seemed to want to stay at this level. The tractor never seemed to run hot, just the gauge indicated that it was, so I intend to take the temp with a thermometer and see where I am at. If it is running hot, I am thinking of installing a 6 bladed fan and this is where I could use some advice from any that have tried that.

I know that the pump has a good flow, and it takes a long time for it to reach these temps. Also I want to state that I have a trip bucket loader on mine and wonder if that might be enough to starve it of air. I keep the bucket at radiator height to push the weeds down and hopefully out of the radiator as it plugs up easily with weeds and other chaff.

I know this don't help you much, but I thought I would jump into the thread and add to it, hopefully to get some advice myself.

Dan

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paul

06-27-2003 17:47:36




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 Re: Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to Dan, 06-27-2003 16:06:10  
Have you folks moved the muffler out & up like most farm tractors? That keeps the gas cooler, & a little more room for air-flow around the right side.

Had a 960 that ran hot, part of it was bad timing.

--->Paul



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RickB.

06-27-2003 13:57:24




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
Make sure it is actually running hot; verify gauge accuracy.



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ATW/WA

06-27-2003 13:26:40




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
MikeO,
I take it you,ve checked the common items,
Water pump belt tension.
Lower radiator hose not kinked.
Fan and shroud installed corectly.
Good fluid flow into radiator, looking into filler neck.
Stuck a thermometer into the radiator to cross check actual temperature.
Thermastat installed correctly.
Possibly water passages cruded up? Flush system. Lastly a friend had overtemp problems, pulled head and found flashing from the original casting, blocking the water passage in head, broke it out, worked fine after that. This was in a 9N his grandfather bought new and had always had overtemp problems, 6o years later, we figured it out. HTH' ATW/WA

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David Donaldson

06-27-2003 10:59:28




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 Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to MikeO, 06-27-2003 07:51:21  
Try replacing the Thermostat (nice cheap piece ;), and make sure it is not in backwards. You can also run it without the thermostat (as a test), it should run cold and take forever to warm up. If it does, then there is your problem.

Also check the fad cooling fins are not clogged.

I have found my 861 will sometimes run hot after I have had the rad cap off, but it usually settles down after couple of minutes and never into the red.

Sometimes we overlook the simple.

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ROLLIE

06-27-2003 17:38:51




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 Re: Re: 860 always runs hot in reply to David Donaldson, 06-27-2003 10:59:28  
MINE ISN'T AN 860 BUT I HAD SAME TROUBLE--I MOWED WEEDS AND GRASS FOR 21 YEARS--2YRS OF THAT MY TRACTOR RAN HOT AND I WOULD BE SETTING UNDER A TREE COOLING OFF AND LOOSING MONEY.THEN A MACHANIC TOLD IT'S NOT THOSE THINGS MAKEING IT OVERHEAT-- IT'S FRICTION--THEN I PUT ONE BOTTEL OF -- SLICK 50 -- IN IT EVERY OIL CHANGE--END OF STORY--- GOOD LUCK



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