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Confused about 850 Powermaster designation!!

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Don Meier

06-11-2003 09:38:17




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I have just purchased a 1957 850 POWERMASTER,at least thats what is stenciled on the hood and the dog legs. It has a 172 Red Tiger and 5speed with live 3 point but no live pto. The seial number is 129107.I bought it from the original owner.It has the original factory paint and decals.Pretty faded ,but still there.I thought the powermaster had the egg crat grille this does not.Could the factory have miss stenciled it ,can it really be a Workmaster? Anyone have info that would clarify what it really is ? Thanks much. Don 129107

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Andy Wickiser

06-12-2003 06:37:11




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 Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation!! in reply to Don Meier, 06-11-2003 09:38:17  
Just some corroborating evidence for the stuff said below. You are not alone. I have a late 1957 Ford 840 SN 144875. When I scraped down to the original paint I found the Powermaster logo (horizontal on hood, both sides). It was quite well integrated with the original paint, not an add-on. This issue comes up once in a while on this board. Yes, some late '57 800-series tractors did come with the Powermaster logo.

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Jim.UT

06-11-2003 14:16:32




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 Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation!! in reply to Don Meier, 06-11-2003 09:38:17  
I'm not the original source for this info, but I remember someone else posting on this board that Ford started putting "Powermaster" decals on the tail end of the production run of the 800 series in 1957 just before the 801 Powermaster series started production. He claimed this was so and he knew it because he bought one new in '57 that had decals like yours. Your tractor seems to confirm his information. I wish I could remember who that was so I could give him proper credit. Maybe I'll surf the archives for a bit and see if I can find it.

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9n141

06-11-2003 16:24:45




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 Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation in reply to Jim.UT, 06-11-2003 14:16:32  
Jim I have seen one of these and have orig. brochure showing these tractors as desc. While we are on the subject of interesting diff., I have an orig. manual for 600 tractors dated Sept. 1954 and there is no mention of 5 speed trans. Therefore 5 spds. and 5 spds. with live PTO must have been decided after prod. started or at least after the man. was printed. We should try to find out who has the earliest ser. # with LPTO. BURT.

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Jim.UT

06-11-2003 17:24:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designa in reply to 9n141, 06-11-2003 16:24:45  
That is interesting. Did we ever decide whether 620 and 820 tractors had 4 speeds or 5 speeds? I thought the general consensus was that 620 and 820 had 4 speeds (no pto, no 3ph) and that the x21 tractors (621, 821) had 5 speeds.

But, I quote from an original Ford Shop Manual with copyright date of August 1955: Two different transmissions are used in the Ford Tractors, depending on the tractor model. The 640 and 740 models have a four speed transmission. All other models are equipped with a five speed transmission." ALL OTHER MODELS!

What d'ya think?

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Jim.UT

06-11-2003 17:26:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster des in reply to Jim.UT, 06-11-2003 17:24:03  
The same Shop Manual lists 650 and 660 in the specs pages under the clutch and transmission section.



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9n141

06-12-2003 10:21:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster in reply to Jim.UT, 06-11-2003 17:26:53  
I have orig. brochure for 821, shows 5 sp. no PTO, no hydr. and 4 sp. without PTO or hydr. Also mentions o/u as an opt. BURT.



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Jim.UT

06-12-2003 10:41:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powerma in reply to 9n141, 06-12-2003 10:21:11  
So the overall conclusion from this thread is "don't believe all that you read, because there's sure to be contradictory information printed somewhere else and published by the same source."



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Jim.UT...found it!

06-11-2003 14:22:05




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 Re: Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation in reply to Jim.UT, 06-11-2003 14:16:32  
I think this is the post I was remembering.



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Bill Oakes

06-11-2003 12:27:49




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 Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation!! in reply to Don Meier, 06-11-2003 09:38:17  
Hi Don,

All the things you mentioned about your tractor sound kosher. The 800 series (your 850 is in this series) had the same grille as the 600 series, and the 601 series for that matter. The only egg crate grill was the 801 & 901 series from 1958 - 1961.



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Tommy (TX)

06-11-2003 10:29:08




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 Re: Confused about 850 Powermaster designation!! in reply to Don Meier, 06-11-2003 09:38:17  
Don..I can't give you much info about the grill, but I believe the Hundred Series tractors produced from 1955-58 don't have the egg-crate grill....I think the ones from late 1958-62 have that grill...but like I said..I'm not sure....Someone else will correct me if I'm wrong....

Since your tractor has the 172 cu engine...it is a Powermaster.....the Workmasters had the smaller 134 cu engine....

Here's a website for further info....

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