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Dean Stell

04-16-2003 10:54:18




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Hello all,

Boy could I use some advice from the group. I am in the enviable position of having a father-in-law who has decided that he just really wants to buy his daughter (my wife) a tractor. We have a 6 acre hobby horse farm w/ just two horses, so our needs aren't great. Manure spreading, light bush-hogging, scrapping snow off the driveway....basically a leisurly life for a tractor.

Back to the point, my father-in-law (who knows nothing about tractors) spotted a Ford 3600 on the side of the road yesterday and was about to just buy it on the spot. I stopped him from being impulsive but began my own research of what older Fords are currently for sale in the area.

There are two 3600's. Both in good shape. One is a '78 that at $7400. The other is an '82 that they're asking $8250 for. Also found a 2600 ('78) for $7600. And an older 861 for $5850.

Here's the question(s) for the group. Are these prices right? They see a tad high to me. More importantly, I have a feeling I might be fine with a 861 and might rather tell him to buy my wife that AND a small manure spreader.

Any thoughts? They are all in good shape and run well. Obivously the 3600/2600 are newer, but they're all old enough that they probably have equal chances of being unreliable (at least in my mind).

Anyway, any help from more experienced folks is welcome.

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Roy B

04-17-2003 17:18:29




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 Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Dean Stell, 04-16-2003 10:54:18  
Dean,
I have a 78 2600 and a 76 3600 and have nothing but good to say about them. I can't say anything about the 861 other than to make sure what ever you get has live\independant pto and power steering. Prices seem to be close to what they sell for in my area. Good luck. Incidentaly I got my 2600 from my FIL. Roy



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ErnieD

04-17-2003 18:51:12




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 Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Roy B, 04-17-2003 17:18:29  
I would prefer the 861.



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bill

04-17-2003 07:19:27




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 Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Dean Stell, 04-16-2003 10:54:18  
an '82 would be a 3610, not a 3600 and its worth between $6710 in fair condition to $8490 in perfect condition.. and yes, its new, better, smoother and nicer than the 3600 which is better than the 3000 to drive, which it even better than the 861 to drive.. each series, ford improved the clutch, low end torque, power steering, shifting, and lots of improvement in hydralics in flow rate and performance as the series evolved.. so you actually get these improvements as well..

the '78 3600 is $4200 to $6240 as shown in the used tractor price guide, for 2001... so it seems out of line unless the hours are exteamly low..

and remember. people always start high.. and expect an lower offer.. you cant go up..only down...

a good tractor buy will never depreciate.. if you park it indoors, 10 years from now you can sell it for what you paid for it.. or sometimes more..

good luck.. Bill

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Ed

04-17-2003 06:34:26




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 Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Dean Stell, 04-16-2003 10:54:18  
I think the seller you've found is just waiting for a sucker. The 3600 are probably worth $5,000 maby more if in really good shape, with the others worth less. Give me $8,000 and I'll find you a used 2600 or 3600.

New sub-compact diesel tractors are almost the same price and will do what you described, plus thay have hydrostatic transmissions that are a lot easier to use and more forgiving for the novice (no clutch to burn out). They also come with a warrenty and hopefully a good dealor close by to help you out.

The 861 is a good tractor but is older and will require maintance plus learning to use the two stage clutch. The 3600 is newer with newer features probably a better choice for you. Also the 3600 and it's older brother the 3000 were very common. The 2600 is basically a 3600 with a smaller engine - you'll always wish you had the extra HP.

Finally let your wife's dad enjoy finding and giving your wife a tractor. Their's more to it than the tractor it's self. Appreciate it and except it with the joy it is given with. I'll bet he always wanted a tractor like the one he selected for himself - offer to let him use it whenever he wants. Free labor is allways a good thing

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RickB.

04-17-2003 19:01:48




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 Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Ed, 04-17-2003 06:34:26  
Where can I find an $8000 compact diesel with a hydro transmission? Oh, yeah, you said it would be new, have a warranty, and perform equally with a 2600 or 861. Get real. No Chinese, either.



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Ed

04-18-2003 06:49:11




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 Re: Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to RickB., 04-17-2003 19:01:48  
I don't believe the tractor companies are building subcompacts hear in the USA except for possibly JD who is thinking about assembling a Green Yanmar in GA.

I just got a quote for of $8,000 for Kubota BX1800 that can do what was suggested. The 861 or 3600 will pull more and are bigger tractors - real tractors, but that dosen't appear to be what is required.

In their small enviroment the little Kubota might be more useful to get in and out of tight buildings.

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Jim.UT

04-16-2003 15:16:19




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 Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Dean Stell, 04-16-2003 10:54:18  
Don't know about the newer tractors you mention, but the price for the 861 seems high to me unless it's really really cherry. I got my 850 (same basic machine, a little older, no live pto) for about $2500 and it's been very reliable. It's not extremely pretty, either. I would say that in my area, a nicer looking version of what I have should sell for maybe $4000 to $4500. Your 861 should have live pto (via a dual clutch) and you'll find that very useful for bush hogging. I second the opinion on p/s for front end loader work, although you didn't specifically mention a loader. Also, don't ever stop the FIL from buying you stuff, he might get the wrong idea and stop trying!

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David Donaldson

04-16-2003 13:03:35




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 Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to Dean Stell, 04-16-2003 10:54:18  
Dean, I have a 10 acre place with 8 horses. I also have a 1957 861 with a front end loader. I use my tractor for light bush hogging, scrapping snow and hauling round bales out. We do not have a manure spreader, besides our horses live outside.

I have been very pleased with my tractor, it was in less than great shape (understatement) when I bought it. Between the helpful folks on this site and a couple of instructional videos, I have been able to get all of my work done. Getting parts has not been a problem. Overall I would rate the (well OK, my) 861 as a reliable machine. Enough power for every task that I have put it to, although I did have to get used to bush hogging the taller grass a little slower than the MF255D that I used to have. If you have a front end loader, get get power steering.

Cannot comment on the 3600/2600.

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Bishop

04-16-2003 19:15:51




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 Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to David Donaldson, 04-16-2003 13:03:35  
price seems high, I,m in mo. rural area...bought 861 for $3,250 with 963 hog, sold hog at auction for $420. My tractor has great tin and thinking serious about painting. I agree with Jim.UT keep fil on your side



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kydavid

04-16-2003 18:44:18




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 Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to David Donaldson, 04-16-2003 13:03:35  
The 2600 and 3600 are pricey, too. With that said I am a firm believer in getting the newest machine you can afford. That would be correlated to how much you like repairing them. May folks here enjoy working on old tractors, more power to them. For me, I work 40+ hours a week at a day job and farm 800 acres in my "spare" time. Any time I spend fixing my stuff is time away frommy family or one of the jobs.

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Don M

04-17-2003 05:43:49




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 Re: Re: Re: 861/3600/2600 in reply to kydavid, 04-16-2003 18:44:18  
Hi,
We have a small horse farm, 28 acres 5-6 horses live in with individual runs and pastures. We have an 850 with loader and back hoe FIL gave us plus 641 w/5'bush hog and pulverizer for mowing and grooming arena. We also have assistance of local dairy farmer with big spreader and other assorted equipment. I bought the 641 for $3200 a couple of years back and have been restoring it little by little. Mechanically both are easy to work on and seem indestructable. The 861 should be more than enough for your farm but try to beat them down on price unless it is show room ready. Don

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