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Jon

04-05-2003 14:13:03




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I have two tractors that I am looking at, both appear to be in the same (very good) shape mechanically.

The 640 (or 641?) has great paint, good tin. I.e. - looks just like a recently restored tractor.

The 8N has a poor grill, rest of tin OK, good, but older paint. Bottom, line, does not look as good.

8N has Sherman tranny. Both are same price - 2,800

Trying 6to decide between the both. I figure the samller sizer of the 8N, might be an advantage in the woods and around the house. 640 might be better at pulling stumps, if that is possible with either tractor.

Any opions?

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John

04-17-2003 19:11:10




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
Well, thanks for all the comments,

I went for the 640, and while I like the looks and the size of 8N, I'm glad I got the 640. Turns around in such little space, that the slight increase in size is not a factor.

I had planned to call the tractor "lead Belly", but my 9 year old son named it Cyclops! now I like the 50's styling.

Looking forward to getting the back blade hooked up and trying out the tractor beyond rides for the kids.

^Thanks all

John

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Jon

04-07-2003 03:36:54




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
Well, I went with the 640. It's nice looking great running tractor and I am pleased with my decision. Thanks for all the input - really helped a lot.

My next problem it answering the spouse's question "What are we gonna do with this tractor?" (Almost all my land is woods)

Oh well!



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Hal/WA

04-07-2003 20:11:12




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 Re: Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-07-2003 03:36:54  
It sounds like you did well. I think you will like the 640.

I use my 641D in the woods a lot. It has a heavy duty step through loader that is my most used implement. I have hauled just about anything in that loader, including firewood, rocks, gravel, dirt and lots of tools. For the woods, I leave my tire chains on until it gets really dry in the late spring--it really helps the traction when you have a heavy load in the bucket. If I were you, I would look for a loader to fit your tractor.

I also have a very heavy rear blade that I keep on the tractor much of the time, partly as a counter weight and partly to use as a blade. I have pulled small stumps with a log chain hooked to the rear blade framework and have been able to remove some with the loader. Larger stumps are beyone the traction capability of my tractor.

If you try to remove stumps, avoid the temptation to pull from the upper 3 point mount. It is possible to lift the front wheels of the tractor off the ground and flip the tractor over on you!!!

And never jerk a chain or cable--they can break and the loose end could possibly hit you. Also be very careful on any slopes. A ROPS is probably a very good investment. I would suggest being very familiar with your tractor and know how it responds to the various controls before driving it in the woods very much. Watch out for stump holes and other sudden changes in the terrain that could be dangerous to you. And have your tractor and any other vehicle or implement well away from trees that you are cutting down. (Don't ask!) Have fun with your new purchase, but be safe. Good luck

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John

04-08-2003 03:25:12




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 Re: Re: Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Hal/WA, 04-07-2003 20:11:12  
I'd like to get a loader some day. Do you have power steering. A lot of people have said not to bother with a loader unless you have PS.

I hear you on getting used to the tractor before driving it in the woods a lot. However, I have less than a acre of cleared land, so there isn't much room for driving after the garden, house, shed, chicken coop!

Perhaps I'll drive over to my friends (1/2 mile), they have a long wide drive and an even longer dirt road into their 30 acres or so.

BTW what is a ROPS?

John (was mis-spelled as Jon)

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Hal/WA

04-08-2003 18:48:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to John , 04-08-2003 03:25:12  
I have 2 old Ford tractors, the 641D without power steering and a 851 Gas with power steering. Both have loaders, the 851 having a full hydraulic and large bucket and the 641D having a smaller trip bucket. I actually use the 641D more than the 851, because I have worked most of the "bugs" out of the 641D and am still playing with the larger tractor. The diesel also uses much less fuel. Having power steering is very nice, but not essential. You get used to it and plan your moves so you don't put yourself in a position of having to steer very much when the tractor is stationary, at least with a load in the bucket. It is possible to add power steering, but it is expensive. If you look for a loader, I would suggest finding one that uses a front mounted hydraulic pump. They are much faster than the ones that just use the tractor hydraulics. On the other hand, slower is more controllable. ANY loader is better than no loader at all.

ROPS means either roll over protection system or roll over protection structure. I have heard it both ways. It should include a very stout roll bar that is angled back from the rear axle to protect the tractor operator from a roll over sideways or backwards. To make it effective, it is also necessary for the operator to be belted in the seat. Lots of woods tractors also have a covering over the operator to protect him from tree branches or falling trees. Is a ROPS necessary? It only takes once.... Good luck.

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Dan J

04-05-2003 21:33:56




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
Lets see here: 1. 640 looks better 2. Live hydraulics 3. Overhead valve engine with more horsepower 4. Better resale value. Doesen't look like much of a choice to me.



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Gav-n-Tn

04-05-2003 20:18:32




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
The difference in the lift system alone would make the 641 my choice. Not to mention the more heavy dutiness (if there is such a word).No comparison in my book.



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Ken

04-05-2003 15:14:04




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
No comparision, 640 any day, and don't let anybody tell you different. I wish you could buy 600 Series here in Wi for $2800.



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markct

04-05-2003 14:58:14




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
ya think the 8n would be more manuverable,they are both basicly the same sized tractor, the 640 is roughly 4 inches longer, not a big deal, i would definatly go with the 640 it has more power, live hydraulics, lower reverse gear usualy, and all sorts of other goodies.



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Stan(PA)

04-05-2003 14:52:35




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 Re: 640 vs 8N in reply to Jon, 04-05-2003 14:13:03  
640 is the all around better tractor. Careful, pulling stumps can be a dangerous situation for EXPERIENCED operators, and doubly so for the inexperienced!



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