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Spindle Bushings

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Chuck

01-27-2000 20:46:43




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1965 Ford 3000 Diesel, are the spindle bushings different sizes? 1 1/4, 1 11/32 I.D. I picked up a set today at New Holland/Ford dealer did not notice difference till I got home.




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Mark B

01-28-2000 08:17:38




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 Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Chuck, 01-27-2000 20:46:43  
After you install those bushings, they sometimes need to be sized as they are too tight. I used a cylinder hone and hone oil, go slow and keep test fitting the spindle to get a good fit, if your new ones seem too tight.



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Bern

01-28-2000 17:26:22




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 Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Mark B, 01-28-2000 08:17:38  
Mark, it has been my experience that the only time the bushings are tight is when the spindle tube is bent, causing a misalignment problem. The bushings as designed have plenty of built in clearance, almost too much in my opinion.



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Mark B

01-28-2000 20:07:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-28-2000 17:26:22  
Bern - I'm stumped by this - I've installed these bushings in My 640 and a friends NAA,(not a 3000,but a similar design) both sides were tight on both tractors. The bushings came from TISCO. The upper (smaller) set seemed to be tighter than the lower ones.Sized them with a hone and they are sweet. I could detect no bend in these spindles, and the tops weren't mushroomed. The bushings I removed still had the Ford oval stamped in them but were worn sloppy. I even recall the I&T manual metioned something about these needing to be sized. What gives? Are the Jap (oops-oriental) bushings that far off tolerance? I can tell from your postings that you've forgotten more than I'll ever know about this stuff, so set me straight - my confidence hangs in the balance!

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Bern

01-28-2000 21:22:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Mark B, 01-28-2000 20:07:15  
Mark, thanks for the compliment. I hope I haven't forgotten too much, I'm not old enough for that yet (I hope!)

I must confess to not having put very many bushings in those older tractors. My experience is primarily with the '65 and up versions. I would have to say, however, that the problems you had are most likely caused by the aftermarket parts, wherever they are made. I have had more than my share of problems with aftermarket parts, and I don't say this because I work for a dealer either.

I would suggest next time you have to rebush one of the tractors that you had problems with, maybe try Ford bushings. I'm sure for as little as a part like that would cost, the price differential would not be all that great. It would actually pay for itself if you didn't have to ream them.

As to the mention in the book about reaming, I've never seen that, at least not in any of the books that I have seen. Ford doesn't even give tolerances for those front end parts. I guess they figure that since you're not going to drive your tractor at 50 MPH down the road, that it's not really that critical!

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Mark B - I stand corrected

01-29-2000 10:05:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-28-2000 21:22:03  
Bern - Went out to the shop and dug out the I&T book, It states that no final sizing is needed unless the bushings are distorted during installation. As I pressed these in with a big 'ol brass drift, I don't feel I distorted them and I believe the need for honing was due to the aftermarket part. I buy FNH whenever possible, but the local FNH dealer closed 4 years ago and the next closest FNH shop is 30 miles. Thus, if I need odds and ends like bushings or gaskets it's just easier to get it from the local aftermarket source in town. Hope everyone learns from my experience on this. I also hope everyone knows how lucky they are to have you, Bern, sharing expertise. Thanks and I always look forward to your postings. Mark

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Chuck

01-28-2000 17:36:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-28-2000 17:26:22  
Appreciate the added information. I picked up spindle bushings, thrust bearings, and dust seals at a local New Holland/Ford Dealer and was surprised to learn their price was cheaper than many discount catalogs. Plan on changing out tommorrow. Any and all advice welcome.



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Bern

01-28-2000 17:44:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Chuck, 01-28-2000 17:36:33  
About the only potential problem that I can see is getting the old bushings out. If they are quite worn, you won't have enough of a lip to catch to drive them out. In that case, the best way to remove them is to cut them out with a torch.

Also, sometimes when the thrust bearings go out, when you take it apart, the only thing left is the upper race of the bearing. If this is the case, don't let that fool you into thinking that you are looking at the flat housing surface. Make sure you look carefully at the housing to make sure all of the old thrust bearing is gone.

Make sure you pack the new thrust bearings well with grease. They won't see much grease after they are installed, as the bearing is pretty well shrouded.

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Thanks Bern

01-28-2000 17:51:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-28-2000 17:44:26  
Appreciate all the advice.



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Bern

01-27-2000 21:12:39




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 Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Chuck, 01-27-2000 20:46:43  
Yes, the lower bushing on each side will have a larger ID than the top one.



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Thanks Bern

01-27-2000 22:15:38




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 Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-27-2000 21:12:39  
Appreciate all the help.



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Thanks Bern

01-27-2000 22:15:24




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 Re: Re: Spindle Bushings in reply to Bern, 01-27-2000 21:12:39  
Appreciate all the help.



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