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Some 4500 Industrial ?s

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Ecnerwal

11-15-1999 15:53:50




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I've got a US built 1969 4500 industrial deisel (3 cyl) with a 740 loader and a 753 backhoe. Thanks to Oak's site, I've de-mystified the D5011K model number down into several things I knew and one I suspected (that it _was_ a 4500 - but it doesn't have a "4500" on it anywhere).

A couple of questions: it came with no manuals at all, I assume that I should shell out $7 each for operators & service manuals for the hoe and the loader plus $14 & $60 for the operators & service manuals for the tractor itself from New Holland, despite the fact that New Holland doesn't know that a Model D5011K is a 1969 4000 series industrial diesel with no PTO and a 4/6 manual reverse tranny?

If these are _not_ worthwhile, I'd like to hear about it...

I'd also like to know if an additional outlay for the parts manuals covering hoe, loader, and tractor is worthwhile.

In the meantime, a few questions. I've had this rig since August, and since it has worked the way it came to me, I have not tried to "fix" certain oddities, as I don't know where I'm wrong .vs. where it's wrong. The electrical system is set up 12V positive ground, and the charging system is disconnected (procedure is to put the battery on a charger regularly). I'd like to get the charging system working, but I don't know if positive or negative ground is correct for this model, and I'd just as soon not destroy things finding out. I would like to be able to run lights, and not have to drag the battery back & forth so much.

Another thing would be proper place & method of adding hydraulic fluid - I'm assuming down the wee breather hole in the very nose (in front of the big, honking hydraulic filter), and that you must have a small-nosed funnel to get into the hole beneath the outer hard-nose skin. What I actually did the last time was add new fluid when I replaced the filter, putting it into the filter compartment. Due to a slow leak in the hoe, I need to top up now, and would rather not mess with the filter compartment.

There are other questions, but those are the big ones for the moment, and the manuals will answer most of them, I'd hope.

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brian h derose

06-24-2000 19:41:14




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 Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Ecnerwal, 11-15-1999 15:53:50  
I bought a 1969 ford backhoe the numbers that I got from the hood are as follows C 25071,
9J22B.I don`t know what these numbers stand for and not sure of what model I have.I was told it was a 1969 when I got it.I am sure of one thing it has a gasoline engine and a three speed transmision in it.



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Nathan(GA)

11-15-1999 19:07:39




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 Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Ecnerwal, 11-15-1999 15:53:50  
I also have a 4500 hoe. It is same model as yours. I ordered the service manuals from NH and was not impressed. There are 5 books included and it covers several tractors, hoes and loaders, but not mine. But mine came from the UK. It is identical to American except the hoe. It uses a hydraulic swing motor instead of cylinders. I like it. I think mine is negative ground, but not sure. I ought to know, because I just put a new battery in a couple of months ago. The one that was in it was 7 years old according to the date code on it and was still cranking strong. But, I went to crank one day and nothing. Got to looking and found a hole rubbed in the bottom of battery. So, you might want to put rubber underneath it. Mine has a Lucas generator on it. The tach feeds off the back of it. It's been a while, but seems like I added hydraulic oil in front to the filter hole you were talking about. I think I just removed cover and added there, but I might be wrong. I was wondering how much hydraulic fluid it held, because the little rubber hose connecting pipe to oil resivor in the frame underneath looks like it's about to bust. Is there a way to change this hose without draining all the fluid? If I can be of any help, give me a yell. Nathan

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Ecnerwal

11-15-1999 20:01:51




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 Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Nathan(GA), 11-15-1999 19:07:39  
Thanks for the tip on the battery - mine is using a car battery which doesn't fit the mount all that well, so the rubber would be a good idea.

According to the chart on the wall at my dealer, the 740 loader involves 14 gallons of fluid, and the 753 hoe is 7.5 gallons, for 21.5 gallons. My low pressure hoses also look iffy, and I can't see a way around draining the whole system to fix them. The fluid is supposed to be replaced every 12 months or 1200 hours (for those of you with working hour-meters) with fluid that meets Ford spec M-2C48-A.

I remembered another question, too - what is the "pull" valve (cylinder which is slid by a knob on its end, not moved by a lever) on the 740 loader supposed to do? Mine is rusted in one position, and I haven't messed with it yet - I'm guessing that it might allow the bucket to float?

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Bern

11-15-1999 22:53:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Ecnerwal, 11-15-1999 20:01:51  
The "pull valve" is for hydraulic self leveling of the bucket.



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Nathan(GA)

11-16-1999 19:19:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Bern, 11-15-1999 22:53:34  
Hey Bern, I've noticed that when it comes to Fords, You DA MAN!! Are you familiar with the short hose that connects metal pipe to the resivor in the loader frame on the bottom left side under transmission? Mine looks kinda bad. I'm afraid it might scrub something and bust as it is not protected by anything and exsposed to everything that the tractor runs over. Do you have to drain all the fluid to change this hose? Also my hydraulic swing motor leaks some fluid out the top. Is there a seal inside that I could change? Thanks for any advice.
Nathan

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Bern

11-17-1999 07:43:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Nathan(GA), 11-16-1999 19:19:23  
I do believe you are referring to the suction line for the hydraulic pump. You wont get this hose off without making a mess unless you drain the oil first. Real easy: get a couple clean 5 gallon buckets and remove the pipe plug at the bottom of the LH loader frame upright, near where this hose is. While you have it drained, do yourself a favor and replace the filter that is attached to the plate where you took the pipe plug out. This plate is attached with 4 bolts and will drop right out the bottom. This filter is the suction filter for the loader pump.

I have never seen a Ford backhoe with a hydraulic swing MOTOR. I guess I'm not old enough! Sorry, can't help you there.

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Pete

03-06-2000 23:33:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Bern, 11-17-1999 07:43:14  
I've got a 63 4200 industrial loader (poor old abused beast) and I bought most of a 753 backhoe attachment for it some years back. Unfortunately I cant seem to find the missing parts and it is more trouble than it is worth to make them. What is missing is the big central pivot assembly and the mounting sub-frame. Does anybody know where I might get used parts? They could be real ugly and still suit me. Im on the west coast if it matters. Thanks Bern. I couldnt figure out where that filter was...knew there had to be one....Pete

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D Smoker

11-15-1999 17:53:08




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 Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to Ecnerwal, 11-15-1999 15:53:50  
Yes, the hydraulic fluid goes in the little hole on the front end. The breather should pull out and have a dipstick attached to it. The loader bucket should be flat on the ground and the backhoe in the transport position, with the stabilizers in the up position, oil cold, when you check it. We had four 4500's of various years, if I remember correctly they were all negative ground. I'm assuming you have an alternator, I think the generators were neg. ground too. I haven't seen the latest manuals from NH, but if you get a 4000 manual it pretty well covers the drivetrain. If you have a basic knowledge of hydraulics you can get along without the loader and backhoe manuals.

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Ecnerwal

11-15-1999 19:49:28




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 Re: Re: Some 4500 Industrial ?s in reply to D Smoker, 11-15-1999 17:53:08  
Small breather cap, yes.

Dipstick on it - no! Anybody that's got one care to note how far down from the cap the "full" line measures, so I can re-create a dipstick for this?



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