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Hey busdriver

10-14-1999 22:49:50




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I done exactly what you are talking about, first I was going to replace the valve until I found out the price ( $85.00) I went to my local auto parts store and got a brass valve and some gas line hose and clamps. I cut the steel line, clamped on the rubber hose and then the valve . works good all for about, I think it was $12 to $13. after installing this I turned the orginal valve all the way on and sealed it, no leaks anywhere. This worked for me, hopefully it will for you too.
Stan

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Talk To Us Bern...

10-18-1999 11:54:57




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 Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Hey busdriver, 10-14-1999 22:49:50  
I am confused! My fuel line goes between the head and both intake and exhaust manifolds. I have a repair manual (Ford) that says the 2000 has the same routing. Different size fittings, however, and mine has a bit of rubber up next to the tank connection, away from the heat, that the 2000 does not have.

Maybe Bern will pipe in here. I love to learn...

Tommy D.



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Tony Jacobs

10-18-1999 22:08:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Talk To Us Bern..., 10-18-1999 11:54:57  
Heybusdriver No need to be confused your fuel lines are correct, thats how Ford put them in when it was new, the rubber line you have on one and not the other may be a design change ,I have had tractors with both types of lines , and have bought both types from ford, I just purchased a new fuel line and valve for my 62 Ford 841 4x4 and the new ford part had more rubber on it than the original but it was FIRE RESISTANT and was printed on the line , also was larger diameter, the new hose was the same type as I have seen on CATERPILLAR when ordered with burn proof hydraulic lines for fighting forest fires or oil well type fires . Thanks Tony Jacobs

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Hey busdriver

10-18-1999 22:38:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Tony Jacobs , 10-18-1999 22:08:37  
Tony, I think you seem to reply before reading all the info. Busdriver did not post last post, it was Tommy D. Some people think they are good talkers but instead very poor listeners. Stan



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Tommy D.

10-15-1999 13:56:32




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 Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Hey busdriver, 10-14-1999 22:49:50  
Does it worry you that the fuel line is so close to the hot exhaust manifold? (Mine actually runs between the head and the manifold - '64 4 cyl. 4000 gas) I started to do what you describe, but was afraid of the manifold heat melting the rubber tubing.

Sure hope Bern pipes in here on this one.

Tommy D.



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Tony Jacobs

10-15-1999 22:15:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Tommy D., 10-15-1999 13:56:32  
Tommy is right you have the potential for a good fire hazard here , that is why FORD used a METAL LINE FROM THE TANK TO THE CARB., do you remember or have you heard of 8n's burning up from similar problems , the valves from Ford are not $85 they are about $40 and you can also get them from TISCO or Central Tractor for about the same price , all of the fuel lines run between the manifold when they were new , I install new valve and line on every tractor I repair or own or sell , cheap insurance considering what it costs to rebuild after the tractor burns up or burns the building it get parked in at night , now doesn't $40 or$50 bucks look cheap , I have been doing equipment repair for 23 years now , I have seen plenty of burnt equipment from similar stupidity. Thanks Tony Jacobs

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Hey busdriver

10-16-1999 00:29:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Tony Jacobs , 10-15-1999 22:15:26  
I understand you have been doing equipment repair for 23 years? How do you repair weed- eaters orginally with plastic gas lines, boat motors with rubber gas lines,lawnmowers, cars, trucks with inline filters connected with rubber gas line hose? Do you change them to all metal lines? When I installed my fuel line it did not run between the manifold. You say valves are only $40? I live in Canada and they are $ 85 at my FNH dealer. Yea my dollar is only 66% of your dollar, when I put this on I did not run it over the manifold, it is atleast 4 inches from anything hot, you could hold your hand on it all day and never even get your hand warm. My tank valve was leaking, which was even more dangerous, leaking on to a hot motor,possibly running down the motor onto the manifold, now it does not or will not leak. Rubber gas lines are designed to be used safely and have been for many years.
Stan

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Tony Jacobs

10-16-1999 10:17:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Hey busdriver, 10-16-1999 00:29:35  
First of all you did not say you were from CANADA that explains the price difference , Second of all I repair equipment back the way it came from the factory with original parts , if it came with a rubber or plastic hose that is what should be used , Ford used a metal fuel line on all their tractors from the fuel valve to the fuel bowl and they all went between the manifold , if you chose to modify that , that is your choice , but when YOU REPAIR FOR A LIVING TO AVOID LAWSUITS AND BULLSHIT FROM CUSTOMERS I PUT THING BACK THE WAY THEY CAME FROM THE FACTORY it save alot of headaches for nothing , that my point Thanks Tony Jacobs

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John

10-16-1999 06:49:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Hey busdriver, 10-16-1999 00:29:35  
Thats $56.10 United States Dollars so Tony is right about the price. Rubber fuel line is safe when used properly but this location may not be a safe place to use it. If in doubt about safety don't do it.



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Hey busdriver

10-16-1999 10:31:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to John, 10-16-1999 06:49:10  
My point is, some mechanics only know how replace parts and no nothing about how to fix them.(more money than thinking power)
If 4 inches away from any part that is hot is not safe then I don't know what is. As for being right on the price I hope your not in banking, $40 is not the same as $56, it is almost 150% higher. Definately , use common sense when doing these kind of repairs, but unless you are restoring a 40 year old tractor , I wouldn't spend unnecessary money where I didn't have to, I'd use a little common sense there too.
Stan

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John

10-17-1999 07:26:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Alternative fuel shut off valve.. in reply to Hey busdriver, 10-16-1999 10:31:55  
Fire codes require stoves to be at least two feet from combustable walls. Rubber tubing is combustable. Penny pinching when safety is concerned is being "penny wise and pound foolish".
As an industial mechanic I am quite good at patching parts to get a machine going, but I replace the defective part as soon as I can.
4 inches from a hot exhaust manifold is not safe with rubber t



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