Liner removal tool,,,?

Buggyboy

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I'm gonna have to remove the liners on my TO20. I thought I had enough 1/2" thick plate to machine the round plate at bottom of liners on my lathe. But someone must of broke into my shop and stole the piece I was plannin to use :lol: Anyway,,what is left is not big enough to machine the piece,,,and after going to metal place,,,, they will NOT cut a 24" X 10' X 1/2" sheet in half !!!! Even half of that sheet is like Hiway Robbery!!! Chit, I never will use up that much half inch plate,,,!!!

Does anyone here have one of those tools that I can "RENT" for removing the 4 liners??
 
(quoted from post at 21:04:20 05/04/22) I'm gonna have to remove the liners on my TO20. I thought I had enough 1/2" thick plate to machine the round plate at bottom of liners on my lathe. But someone must of broke into my shop and stole the piece I was plannin to use :lol: Anyway,,what is left is not big enough to machine the piece,,,and after going to metal place,,,, they will NOT cut a 24" X 10' X 1/2" sheet in half !!!! Even half of that sheet is like Hiway Robbery!!! Chit, I never will use up that much half inch plate,,,!!!

Does anyone here have one of those tools that I can "RENT" for removing the 4 liners??

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I very quickly built a tool using 1/2 threaded rod and some 1-1/2 angle iron. The top and bottom angle are 4 1/2 and 6 1/2. Use a couple
of blocks on the top of engine to give clearance to pop the O rings on the sleeve. Only about a half inch of movement is needed.



Simple and inexpensive. Ive rebuilt at least 6 engines with this setup.



Tom

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Well,,Guys,,as usual I tend to over-engineer the tools I have to build. My first thought was to cut a round piece of 1/2" plate with a "step" to center the plate on the liner, then machine the outer to the OD of the liner,,then I checked Ebay and none of them tools use a round piece, they just have a "strip" of metal that looks to be only bout 1 1/2" wide,,,and here I was gonna make mine round,,,waste of a lot of expensive metal,,,,, :lol: However, I'm gonna use some of ya'lls ideas as NOW,,the chunk of 1/2" plate I first though of using is now BIG enough if I make the btm piece 1 1/2" wide or maybe 2" wide,,,!! I have a stick of 5/8" all thread and a couple of bricks for the top arrangement,,so I outa be good to go. Now,,if I had a chunk of brass long enough,,,I would do like ole Bruce and hammer them outa there,,,,, :lol: :lol:
Thank all of ya'll for them great ideas,,,saved a few valuable dollars today,,,,,
 
Really don't need a puller, they are just stuck to the orings at the bottom.

If you do use a puller, be sure it doesn't hang out past the edge of the liner
and score the sealing surface of the block!
 

Hey Steve,,Gotcha,,!! I'm gonna use Tom H's design for a quickie puller with a couple of bricks to span the Lip of the liners,,,,I just KNOW ole Bruce is gonna like my design,,,, :lol: :lol:
 


Well,,it didn't take too long on my trusty lathe,,,it took me longer to get a couple of bricks located to complete the project,,,I believe this will work,,,!! I'ma gonna give them liners a tug in the morning.

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Well,,it didn't take too long on my trusty lathe,,,it took me longer to get a couple of bricks located to complete the project,,,I believe this will work,,,!! I'ma gonna give them liners a tug in the morning.

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Well,,,I did not do much good today,,,I set up my puller and took a dang good strain on the nut,,,,and,,,,and,,,the dang liner never moved,!! So, I got a solid piece of 1" cold roll and after a few choice slams with a 3# shop hammer ON THE big nut under the round pusher ring.,,finally got it to move a fraction,,,,YEA,,!! tightened the nut again and alternating from shop hammer to tightening the nut finally got the liner to move out until I ran out of room for the puller tool as it bottomed on the block,,!! I'm betting some serious money the PO used something on the liners to seal on the ORings,,,?? I removed the tool and bottom of liner is flush with the block and STILL Stuck. Any ideas on what to spray down into the liners//block to maybe dis-solve whatever acum-pucky the PO used??? Sure do not want to break the block,,,!!~!!
 
Try with some carb or brake cleaner then follow with WD-40. You may even try some gentle heat with a torch just enough to soften
whatever is holding it in.
 


Hey Tom,,that was my next attempt, glad you suggested it. I wished I had a long enough piece of brass to hammer on the liner. The block at that area is not FLAT as towards the front of the liner area, the liner does still extend below the block for about 1/2",,,hopefully enough to tap the liner out the rest of the way out,,,,,,Wish me luck,,,!!!
 

Well,, I GOT THEM LINERS OUT,,,!!!! BUT,,it was NOT easy!!!! I been workin on them ALL DAY and,, I just now (7:18 PM) walked in the house,,,DANG,!! It looks as if the PO had smeared some kind of Acum-pucky all over the O-Rings is why they would not break loose
First off this morning, I used a little heat but chickened out after the web around the liner was smoking some and liner still would not break free.
SO,,,I decided to machine the registers on the "pusher" to where it would fit INSIDE the liner with .015 clearance for a nice snug fit and protrude into the liner .250 and keep the pusher from wobbling and center itself in the liner. This done the trick but every one of them liners fought me and my tool all the way out. I had to reach into the liner cavity after the liners were halfway out and scrape parts and pieces of the ORings and lots of rust,,!!!! They's some of them farmers don't know they invented Anti freeze to control all that rust do they,,,?? :lol: I
I'ma give the inside of the block a dang good bath in the morning and then Start the re-assembly again.....
Dang, I'm tired,,,,,
 
I had the same issues with the last Z-129 I rebuilt. Sleeves fought me all the way out. There was a lot of scale in the coolant gallery, particularly to the rear of #4 cylinder.

I cleaned everything up and the new cylinders slid in very comfortably, I hope you find the same situation.

The refreshed engine starts so easily and runs so smooth. It's worth the effort.


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Much better, cleaned and ready to wire brush the cylinder sealing surfaces.

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Hey Pomester, Yeah,,,I started to take some pics of all the trash in the block, but was so upset and tired I passed. This block had way more trash around #4 also,,,? My bet is it will run much cooler than it did before,,,, :lol: I'm wondering what a man can spray to dissolve that what has stacked up in the corners?

Question for the group,,,What to use on the O'Rings,,,seems like I remember reading somewhere to use vasoline,,,? TIA
 
I took the block into the car wash and pressure washed it inside and out. I have a pressure washer here, but it was February so I did the best I could in town.

Vasoline should work well with the o-rings. Oil or grease would be fine as well. Anything to keep the o-rings from rolling on instal.
 
I was going to say when you started this adventure how I made my puck. 3 3/16 and 3 5/16 on one side and 3 1/4 on the other side. This will service all TO 20 Fergys and maybe more.
I think most folks said to just drive them out and being as I never tried driving sleeves out on anything I thought I must be doing thing the slowest and hardest way possible.Thanks for the followup.
 
(quoted from post at 17:54:21 05/17/22) I was going to say when you started this adventure how I made my puck. 3 3/16 and 3 5/16 on one side and 3 1/4 on the other side. This will service all TO 20 Fergys and maybe more.
I think most folks said to just drive them out and being as I never tried driving sleeves out on anything I thought I must be doing thing the slowest and hardest way possible.Thanks for the followup.

Well,,,I finally got back to the Fergie liners after a few days of moping around of missing my Honey of 53 years,,,just cannot help myself,,but I'm doing better, I think.
I got the liners all cleaned up and had to make an extension for the round wire brush to use on the bottom O'Ring sealing area as I did not remove the crankshaft cause I DID NOT want to disturb the new rear main seal,,,,,Got all 4 of them nice and bright clean so the ORings should seal real good. Re-installed the liners and they slipped in like they belonged there,,!! I'll start the re-installation of the pistons in the Am.

I been doing a lot of thinking on the oil filter issue as I have not located any of the missing parts but do not really want to put the oil filter inside the oil pan. Cuss me out if you want to but I just want a filter on the outside of block as I am a stickler for regular oil filter changes.
I would like to ask if someone can post a cross section of the oil routing from pump thru the engine. From what I have read before, the oil to the filter is delivered to filter from the center main bearing. I do have the metal piece that bolts to the main bearing and has a tiny hole in the side of a tube that I think must of went inside the filter itself,,,??
My thought is to do one of two things,,,,
1. machine a bolt that screws into the center main bearing with a female thread on opposite end. Route a 3/8" tubing line from the new female fitting to a "NEW" drilled and tapped fitting on inside side of block. There are 4 places on the block that are just above the oil pan machined surface and those areas are thicker than rest of block material. I would drill all the way thru the block and tap both inside and outside of block for 3/8" tubing fittings. I would do this on the Right hand side of block for the available room there to mount a spin on filter assy.

OR,,# 2. install a "T" at the fitting on block where oil pressure gauge is tied to and pipe up to the new spin on filter assy

In both cases the outlet of either filter system would be piped to the valve cover where I have welded a removable fitting to be able to remove the valve cover without removing the long breather tube.

Also in either case I would like to modify a ford type oil pick-up suction screen to the pump.. Then weld up the big old hole in oil pan,,,,??
Any good words of wisdom??? TIA!!
 

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