Have a te 20 Ferguson that will not turn over

Timryan0735

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Hello everone

I got a free te 20 Ferguson tractor yesterday is set up as a volt battery I got a new battery today for it the old own start that he replaced the starting switch. Question is how likely is it that the starter will be bad on it and we re would u get part for this tractor because I will need a few more things




Thanks
Tim
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Welcome to the board.
Sounds like you have a (12) volt battery?
Does the positive cable go to the starter switch or the chassis ground?

Fastest way to check this is to get a set of jumper cables and connect the jumper cable to the positive connection on the tractor.
Hold the negative cable in your hand and BRIEFLY connect it to the negative connection.
Anything happen?
PS. It might be advisable to pull the plugs and lube the cylinders before you crank it. It might then be smart to turn the engine over by
hand with the fan blade or a socket on the crank pulley to spread the oil through the cylinder before cranking. It would also be smart to
place rags over the plug holes when cranking to keep the oil spray under control and t prevent hydro-locking a cylinder and possibly
bending a connecting rod.
Good Luck.
 

Don't want to teach Grandpa to suck eggs but do you know how to use the gear stick starter ?
Sit on tractor , lift up stick , push into start position ?
If the previous guy replaced the starter switch it might just not be set up right .
If you want to eliminate the starter as a problem there are
two ways to do that ,[u:205c079343] but you must be careful [/u:205c079343]. Easiest way is to use some jumper leads and connect a good battery to the starter directly . [u:205c079343]To do this safely[/u:205c079343] Make absolutely sure the tractor is out of gear and the ignition is off , I would pull the coil lead as well to be sure .
Connect one jumper to the tractor frame and[u:205c079343] touch[/u:205c079343] the other to the starter motor power lead terminal. Polarity depends on how the tractor is set up but really doesn't matter for this test .
Otherwise you can remove the starter by just undoing a few bolts and test it on the bench , clamp it down though or it will dance and leap about when you connect it .
 
Bruce is saying to test the starter, pull another 12 volt vehicle close or bring up a known good 12 volt battery and hook
jumper cables to that battery and one cable to the top post of the tractor starter and just touch the other to a good
ground on the tractor (the bolt holding starter to bellhousing is good). You will get a spark at the ground, but that's
ok. Make sure the tractor is OUT of gear or you could get hurt. If tractor motor is free, and starter is good, starter
should turn engine. As he said, to make it more free you could remove plugs, etc., as he outlines. It really doesn't
matter which cable hooks to which spot. The starter does not care about polarity and you are bypassing everything else.
 
So I did what everone said to do I took jumper cables and hooked them up to the starter the starter does engage and turn over the motor but it s kind cold out so it s not turning the engine over fast enough. So it s the starting switch that might be bad. The owner of the tractor before I got it replaced the starting switch I can tell it s new I took it apart and it different from what I seen online the one I have now kinda reminds me of the ford n9 start switch. But then u move the shifter to the start I do hear it hitting the start switch. So when it was apart I was able to push the start switch button with my thumb and nothing happens. Does this tractor still turns over like the ford n9 when the key is in the off position or does it need to be on? Any help with this would be great I did leave my phone number on my first post if someone is willing to call me and talk to me about it thanks for the help so far
 
I own a Ferguson TEA-20....Factory 6 Volt....nothing has been farmerized........

Ignition KEY does NOT have to be on to allow gear shift in "S" position to initiate the engine STARTER...

The GROUND connection is one of fergusons not so great ideas....attach close to starter..

Key allows electricity to ignition COIL...nothing to do with starter cranking...

Bob..

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I own a Ferguson TEA-20....Factory 6 Volt....nothing has been farmerized........

Ignition KEY does NOT have to be on to allow gear shift in "S" position to initiate the engine STARTER...

The GROUND connection is one of fergusons not so great ideas....attach close to starter..

Key allows electricity to ignition COIL...nothing to do with starter cranking...

Bob..

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Chances are your a working stiff and a few of us no longer are. That and a different time zone can make calling a bit more challenging.

Besides, this way it is written down and you can reference back to it if you have a swiss cheese memory like a few of us (ME).
Relocate the ground wire a is shown above. The ground behind the dash is not good. Get the 12V cable and run it down to the starter
location.
The starter switch is pretty much the same design. Fergy got smart and put a rod to activate the switch. You don't need the key on to crank
the engine.
Speaking of key, it might have 4 positions.
1) off
2) run
3) lights
4) run and lights.

Slow cranking could be the cold, a weak battery, poor connection. Pick one.

You might be able to get your tractor to start with the key on, a faster crank speed and in neutral.
Starting fluid can also make the engine crank faster and might get it to start. Some people poo-poo that idea, some don't.
Your engine is running about 6:1 compression. If you were up at 20:1, I would not mention it, other than don't use it.
CAUTION!!
DO NOT Crank that starter more than 30 seconds without a 2 minute rest. 6V starter can live on 12V, but not if you crank it non stop.
my 6V starter has been living a few years on 12V. It also starts in under 3 seconds. Properly tuned engines are a wonder.

Yes, chances are either the switch is out of adjustment or no good if you can her it engaging and the tractor does not crank.
Get a volt meter and start chasing voltages to confirm.

Go play. Start another post when you need more answers.
 

That is good advice about the poor earth connection . Just to make it a little clearer I have this photograph of the yellow cable I used on my TED20 UK Ferguson , it just goes directly from the battery to the starter .

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