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One sure sign is that the Super H will have disk brakes. You can tell this by looking at the brake drums. If they look like tin pans, it is an H. If they look like heavy cast drums, then it is a Super H, or a VERY rare early 1953 H. There were only 300 early 1953 H's made so odds are that if it has the cast drums, it will be a Super H.
On the side of the engine, under the front spark plug, it will have the code C-164 cast into the block. That is the engine size if it is a Super H. A regular H will have C-152.
On the side of the engine, under the front spark plug, it will have the code C-164 cast into the block. That is the engine size if it is a Super H. A regular H will have C-152.
ScottyHOMeY
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Have a look at the motor serial number, on the block, just below the #1 plug. An H will have a prefix of FBHM. A Super will have prefix of C-164.
rustyfarmall
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The C 164 will be found in behind the oil filter canister, not as a prefix on the serial number. The serial number prefix on an H will be FBH. The serial number prefix on a Super H will be SH.
Bob M
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Another quick spotting feature are date codes on major castings.
A Super H should show a Y (= 1953) or Z (= 1954) as the last character in the date codes. A year code of X (= 1952) along with an end of year month (Nov or Dec) might also be found on a Super. Date codes earlier than that indicate a regular H.
Incidentally unless parts have been swapped, the date codes on any particular tractor are usually a month or two before the actual tractor assembly date.
A Super H should show a Y (= 1953) or Z (= 1954) as the last character in the date codes. A year code of X (= 1952) along with an end of year month (Nov or Dec) might also be found on a Super. Date codes earlier than that indicate a regular H.
Incidentally unless parts have been swapped, the date codes on any particular tractor are usually a month or two before the actual tractor assembly date.
Anonymous-0
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Not a sure sign at all, disk brakes were available aftermarket. I've seen 41's with them.
randy hall
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the ausco-lambert disc brakes looked a lot different from a ih disc brake.
ScottyHOMeY
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The original poster was not able to distinguish the hood decal to determine what he was looking at. It is to his credit that he has inquired here for other ways to identify the tractor.
Instead of sniping, perhaps you'd be so good as to enlighten him as to the differences among the IH disc brake assembly and the "ausco-lambert" and other after-market disc brakes available for the H.
Instead of sniping, perhaps you'd be so good as to enlighten him as to the differences among the IH disc brake assembly and the "ausco-lambert" and other after-market disc brakes available for the H.
Anonymous-0
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Actually, the identical IH disk brakes can also be found on earlier Hs, I believe IH offered their brakes as a package as well.
ScottyHOMeY
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That's a good tidbit to tuck away.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Yes, a plain H COULD have disk brakes.
A plain H could have a C-164 engine in it, too.
Heck, someone with enough time on their hands could retrofit band brakes to a 300 rear end, bolt it to an H front end and end up with an H with a TA and live PTO.
You can bolt together whatever mutant combination of parts you want from various different series of tractors to come up with a totally unique Frankenstein of a tractor. Not even Guy Fay could figure out what the tractor was originally.
The vast majority of tractors are still stock, so until we're given reason to believe otherwise, we should stick with features that distinguish a STOCK tractor to avoid confusion.
A plain H could have a C-164 engine in it, too.
Heck, someone with enough time on their hands could retrofit band brakes to a 300 rear end, bolt it to an H front end and end up with an H with a TA and live PTO.
You can bolt together whatever mutant combination of parts you want from various different series of tractors to come up with a totally unique Frankenstein of a tractor. Not even Guy Fay could figure out what the tractor was originally.
The vast majority of tractors are still stock, so until we're given reason to believe otherwise, we should stick with features that distinguish a STOCK tractor to avoid confusion.
Farmall puller 24
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I have seen regular H's w/disk brakes. I think that you could by after market disk brakes for H's. Over the summer I seen 2 this way they wasn't a 53 H. Also seen M's with it to but they wasn't a SM. But what you said is right about 53 H's.
I went to the tractor and checked it. There is no number cast into the head under #1 plug, its slick. There is a flat area sticking out where the head meets the block, but it also has no markings. As far as behind the oil filter goes I scraped off some of the oil and grime and couls not see and numbers....This is getting tuff..
Janicholson
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It may not have the C number cast into the block by the Oil filter. If it has, the number is pretty obvious and raised letters. If not, it is probably a regular H. (best of my memory).
All H tractors have date code marks in the castings they are month day year codes with a mark made by a flat head screw between the numbers. The year codes are letters as noted below. JimN
All H tractors have date code marks in the castings they are month day year codes with a mark made by a flat head screw between the numbers. The year codes are letters as noted below. JimN
Did you look at the brakes? If it has smooth pan covers for the brakes, then it is definitely an H.
On the other hand if it has lumpy cast covers on the brakes, it could be a Super H, or it could be a rare H someone upgraded the brakes on, or it could be a rare early 1953 H. Thanks everyone for throwing the monkey wrench into the works, by the way...
It's almost certainly an H anyway, since you can't find any engine designation on the block.
Well once again I have went over this thing with a fine tooth comb and these are the only numbers I can find that are readable... " B276-DE and 8024-DE " both of these are down on the transmission on opposite sides of the tractor. There is some writing just above or well behind the oil filter, but it is too worn to make out. As far as the flat spot below #1 plug goes the only letter that can clearly be made out is " X ". The old man that ownes it went to get parts fot it back around 1970 or so and they kept giving him the wrong parts " Rings ", so he took the tag off and took it with him to the parts store. Then the tag was lost or missplaced...
pat in wis
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if the flat raised spot on the block is below #1 spark plug it is a C-152 H motor block, if the flat raised spot is below #3 spark plug it could be a C-164, a C-169 or a C-175
Does it have a push button starter on the steering wheel pedestal or does it have a pull loop rod that goes to the starter? Push button on steering column would be regular H
Does it have a push button starter on the steering wheel pedestal or does it have a pull loop rod that goes to the starter? Push button on steering column would be regular H
The 2 numbers are on the clutch and transmission housings, 8276 DE is the transmission housing and could be on a H or some SH tractors. 8024 DE could be on a H or first type SH. For a H engine look above the tappet cover and below head level on right side of block, rear half for a 4 digit number followed by 2 letters. Should be raised cast letters and look like the numbers you posted. Later model or replacement engines will have 6 numbers followed by R1,2 etc. if not ground off. If you found a flat spot near right front of engine on the right side with a X stamped in its probably a H engine. Most H engines that were made to use gasoline fuel had a X1 after engine and chassis serial #. If you can manage to read the engine serial number it will be the same as the tractor serial #, provided the engine and tractor are original. If you look forward from the block casting # on right side of engine block, agian looking in the area between head level and tappet cover you should find a date code, raised cast numbers and letter. (Example 4-8-T) This will tell when block was cast. 4= april, 8= day, T= 1950. You should also find the engine firing order cast in the right side also.
Take some pictures the next time you're out there. Make sure you get a shot of one of the brake drums. Post them to the "help identify" section and let us know when they're there.
I know, I keep harping on the brakes. We could solve this right here and now if he would just take a look at the brake covers and let us know what they look like!
I know, I keep harping on the brakes. We could solve this right here and now if he would just take a look at the brake covers and let us know what they look like!
Anonymous-0
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OK I posted some pics over in the " Help Identify " section, pleast take a look and see if this helps. Thanks Scott
The title is " Super H or not part 2 & Super H or not 2.5 "
The title is " Super H or not part 2 & Super H or not 2.5 "
Mark Peters
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That`s a straight H, not a Super.
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