2150 color

Dad just painted the W400 here last week with fresh CaseIH 2150 red and he's not happy with the color. I haven't seen it yet, but the words "Allis Chalmers" have been used to describe the color.

The red was applied over CaseIH red oxide primer, same as he's done on other tractors in the past.

Has anybody else noticed that CaseIH 2150 is a little too "orange" lately?

Has anybody applied Valspar Restoration Series paint over CaseIH? Their IH red is much deeper and nicer IMHO, and he's seriously considering going over the tractor with it. I've warned him to wait at least a month for the CaseIH paint to cure, and to try it somewhere it won't matter first.

I used the 2150 on 3 tractors i restored so far. It will get darker after it cures. First time i used it, the thought of allis orange did cross my mind till it cured. It's not as red as the power red, but i like it as its closer to the orginal red.

On the CaseIH Iron Guard, I've noticed it, too, and could only speculate but wonder maybe if it didn't change a little when they switched over to the lead-free base (i.e., maybe they didn't change the tint formula when they changed bases???) As recently as five years ago, the stuff I was getting had a lead warning on the can, but the color was right. The warning isn't there on the newer stuff, and that's the stuff I'm seeing the difference in.

2150 always was a little bit more orange than 50.

I also wonder if Case IH didn't change the color specs a ilttle bit without changing the number. I had PPG mix up some paint for my BN to match 2150. The project sat for quite a while. When I did eventually get started, I was quite happy with the color, but needed more paint. The next two quarts were almost exactly what you describe, closer to Persian Orange than IH Red. Trick was the label for the custom mix on the older cans read the same as what the new batch was. Wound up scanning some parts I'd already painted to get a new mix to match it. Maybe a PPG problem, maybe the first guy or the second one mis-mixed, but a second attempt on the second batch came up the same, way too orange.

Oddly enough, PPGs formulation (in the book/computer)for 2150 is gobs of orange, gobs of violet and a little each of black and white, not a drop of red in sight. The mix we made from the scan was closer to equal parts of red, a different orange and violet, with some white and a little more black than the original.

I think you're right on letting whats there now cure before trying to shoot anything over it. Other than that, I'm too much of a novice to advise on what works over what, different bases, the effect of hardeners . . .

Have you put this over on the paint and bodywork board, too? If glennster or another painter dosesn't jump in her, you might ask about the technical side over ther.

I noticed the orange color in 2002 when I painted my C with PPG Omni 71310, the 2150 "equivalent". But, it seems the C is redder than the next two tractors I have done, which have more of an orange tint. I later bought a quart of CaseIH 2150 to try and match the color. To my eyes PPG 71310 and 2150 are exactly the same shade. As to the red, on the back of most PPG labels it is called "organic". I have had the paint supplier add more red (organic) and less orange the last time I painted, which was a couple of years ago. Didn't make a lot of difference, so when I do it again I will probably make the change more like 20%, instead of the 10% I tried. But, I have kind of accepted the orange tint. Looks a lot better in the sun than under the flouresent lights in my shop. Since my tractors are inside 99% of the time, I have not noticed it getting darker with age, that may apply to the acrylic modified alkyd enamel that the CaseIH version is, but not to PPG acrylic urethane. I may also try PPG 70019, which is IH 50, not used by IH after 1949. The guy mixing may be part of the problem, however he has to make a big mistake or a lot of cumulative small mistakes to make a difference. Basically I don't think the old 2150 exists any more. So, you just have to experiment with the toners.

I just painted a F12,and it has started turning a little more red

jimmy

I used PPG's 71310 on this tiller in 2006 and it looks very red. Hal

Peoples eyes are different. My wife for example says "it looks red to me". Lately I have read on these and other forums more people noticing the orange than not. Perhaps I (and them) need an eye transplant. I don't trust pictures for color at all, but to me your tiller has a slight orange tint, mostly in the sun areas. May also depend on the brand of paint. I have heard that the DuPont 2150 equivalent 96766 does not have an orange toner. I really don't want to move to DuPont because of the limited amount of painting I do, and I am familiar with PPG's products.

Here's a metal frame from a swing that I painted with the same paint same day since I couldn't keep the paint. Hal

Yeah, I'm afraid I went a little nuts on this tractor (a sentimental project) and paid for Omni (Ouch! and never again!) but I did notice in trying to duplicate the first mix that they switched from one orange to "Organic Orange." You can believe I saved the label, though I have no idea if the mix would be the same using the base for Omni.

And no idea how the first guy did anything different, but whatever he did that didn't agree with the sticker on the back of the label was IH red if I ever saw it, like the old 50.

To the extent anybody find it useful, for a quart in Omni, the tint was

DMC932 Red 408.8
DMC987 Organic Orange 397.1
DMC931 Violet 279.4
DMC902 Black 9.1
DMC900 White 5.3

And yep, it's awful hard to judge true color from a picture. I have an idea it might be better if it's digital from beginnning to end (as opposed to having the vagaries of chemical reactions in the middle of it all) but no idea how well that idea holds up.