IH 282 info needed

Is the D282 and the 301 IH engines the same besides cubic inches ?
Thanks in advance , Larry

The 282 has sleeves and the 301 does not. Other than that pretty much the same.

Thank you MN Scott ,I am just wanting to make sure it will fit in where a d282 is coming out of .

Larry, what is most amazing about IH, and their design, is how they treated the diesel/gas block.

Without regard for displacement (bore diameter/stroke), the differences between the "bare block" diesel vs gas is only ONE head bolt on the right (passenger side) of the engine.

The diesel has one LESS bolt, and it has to do with the intake port arrangement of the diesel head. The diesel head is a "cross flow head", and thus requires head bolt spacing on a even nature.

Beyond that, gas and diesel IH blocks from a 221 to a 301, both diesel and gas are absolutely identical.

I must credit a local puller, Ed Shoebridge, with this knowledge, yet I can say I verified it this past summer while looking over bare engine blocks at a joint called RF Engine in Morrice, Michigan... look-em up !

Thanks gearnut. We were talking on another thread about the 221 gas and the 263 gas using the same short block. Are you saying that the same short block is also used for the 301 gas as well as the diesels? Does the 263 use a sleeve and the 221 use a thicker sleeve than the 263? Is that how it works?

Thanks.

WOW Gearnut , I had no idea ! Thanks for the lesson ....Larry

(quoted from post at 20:20:11 02/10/09) Thanks gearnut. We were talking on another thread about the 221 gas and the 263 gas using the same short block. Are you saying that the same short block is also used for the 301 gas as well as the diesels? Does the 263 use a sleeve and the 221 use a thicker sleeve than the 263? Is that how it works?

Thanks.

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The blocks are the same, not the short blocks which would include all the other parts internal to the block.

The C212 uses a crankshaft with a shorter stroke than the C263. This difference is compensated for by moving the piston pin hole lower in the piston for the C221. The sleeve is the same for both engines.

The C263, C291, and C301 all share the same crankshaft. The blocks are bored different to accept larger sleeves in the C291 or no sleeves in the 301.

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(quoted from post at 20:20:11 02/10/09) Thanks gearnut. We were talking on another thread about the 221 gas and the 263 gas using the same short block. Are you saying that the same short block is also used for the 301 gas as well as the diesels? Does the 263 use a sleeve and the 221 use a thicker sleeve than the 263? Is that how it works?

Thanks.

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The blocks are the same, not the short blocks which would include all the other parts internal to the block.

The C212 uses a crankshaft with a shorter stroke than the C263. This difference is compensated for by moving the piston pin hole lower in the piston for the C221. The sleeve is the same for both engines.

The C263, C291, and C301 all share the same crankshaft. The blocks are bored different to accept larger sleeves in the C291 or no sleeves in the 301.

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Thanks alot Amigo. I assume they use the same head also then?

I guess the only true way to tell the difference between a 221 and 263 is to pull the pan and measure the crank or pull a spark plug and stick something in there to measure the stroke.

And if you want to tell the difference between a 263, 291, and 301 you have to pull the pan or head to measure the pistons and sleeves.

(mine has the side discharge exhaust manifold which the IH parts diagram just shows for the 221 but it also has the 1 3/8" throat carb which the diagrams shows only on the bigger engines)

These little six cyl engines all evolved from the motor truck division when farm equipment div used the forms from the Fort Wayne ,Ind truck plant. They still used the basic motor truck engine BD (black diamond) on the combines for a while then switched to the C series from tractors. All gas engines in combines were sleeve less.If u look under the hood of an old 50's pickup or small truck you will see the same block as the tractors. I was working on trucks also when the 560's were introduced and I thought dam, they put a truck engine in a tractor. But it worked out ok, with of course a lot of modifications as they went along.