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Starting my 1952 Super M; hard turning

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Dan Larson

08-16-1999 10:54:54




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Background and Two questions:

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I have a 1952 Farmall Super M. A young man in Beloit Kansas found it for me, he rebuilt the engine (new sleeves, pistons, rings, rods, bearings, turned the crank, etc.,) bebuilt the carbeurator and the transmission, added a three point hitch, put on a wide front, re-painted the whole thing and added the original McCormick Deering decals, etc. and delivered it to me in Kansas City. I'm having a lot of fun with it. However, it starts awful hard after sitting for a day or two. It has all new plugs, distributor parts, etc. Each time I start it, I have to loosen the nut on the distributor, advance the spark quite a bit, and then take off the air-cleaner and put the palm of my hand over it...then it will finally start, often after several tries. Does anyone have any good counsel or advice on what I might do...or is this common?? (My uncle, a farmer in Minnesota said M's were know for starting problems).

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As noted above, my tractor has a wide front;for some reason...it turns rather hard. I was trying to determine if that was a trait of wide fronts, or not. The power steering pump is full of fluid, the belt is tight, but the steering wheel continues to turn much less freely than I'd like. Does anyone have any suggestions or a similar experience from which you've learned how to overcome it? I'd be grateful to know.

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Richard

08-16-1999 20:24:46




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 Re: Starting my 1952 Super M; hard turning in reply to Dan Larson, 08-16-1999 10:54:54  
AS far as the steering goes if you have the factory equipment it was never that good when new at a low idle, you have have to have the engine revs up and if you are standing still it will still be somewhat stiff,as this has time on it won't get any better. to do better you have to go to a char-lyn with its own pump. As for starting M's are good starting if the battery will turn it over, probaby a choke problem. The dist problem maybe points , check timing see if it is ok. The real way to help the M's slow turning over is with a twelve volt system. then they pop off good. I have a 450 gas that had a sixs volt system. I put a 12 volt diesel starter off a 400 diesel with different bendix , a GM alt and a resister for the dist and no more problems turning over. Or you can find the highest amp 6v battery that will fit in the battery box. Your engine being in good shape will take a lot power to crank.

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Don

08-16-1999 16:24:09




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 Re: Starting my 1952 Super M; hard turning in reply to Dan Larson, 08-16-1999 10:54:54  
I had a Super MTA with Char-lynn that was the easiest steering tractor I ever had, now the Behlen units are a little slower and harder to steer. If your tractor is still 6 volt get yourself a 6 volt battery that goes in one side of a 4430 John Deere and i guarantee it will crank it. I had one in my MTA and it would at 0 with 30 weight in it.



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The Red

08-16-1999 12:17:44




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 Re: Starting my 1952 Super M; hard turning in reply to Dan Larson, 08-16-1999 10:54:54  
Don ditto on what Bob says. On your choke plate, there are 2 screws, Loosen those and then adjust that choke plate so it is closing completely then retighten the screws. Sounds like you are not getting full choke.

If you are turning the distributor counterclockwise to start it, then it definitely sounds like a broken distributor spring(s) or one that got loose. Then after starting it and you advance the throttle and its running rough and you are turning the dist. clockwise to smooth it out, you most definitely have a spring(s) broken or off.

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Bob M

08-16-1999 11:20:00




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 Re: Starting my 1952 Super M; hard turning in reply to Dan Larson, 08-16-1999 10:54:54  
My thoughts....

Question 1 (hard starting):
Properly tuned, M's are delightfully easy to start (my Super always starts in 2 revolutions, even after sitting for several months). Sounds like you have either a choke plate that isn't shutting all the way, and/or a faulty distributor advance mechanism.

Also for what it's worth, a Super M with high compression (fire crater) pistons is tough for the orginal 6 volt electrics to turn. A 12 volt conversion will tip the motor over more quickly and make starting a LOT more reliable.

Question 2 (hard to steer):
My wife's dad has a wide front '53 Super M with oversize floatation tires up front. It's equipped with Charlynn power steering powered by the live hyd pump. It requires less steering wheel effort than my wife's car. Suspect you have a weak steering pump or a tired power steering unit.

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