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ScottyNY

07-03-2002 12:13:32




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At the stage that I need to get my stuck '47 BN back on rubber to move it. She needs tires in the worst way, anyway, so . . . I've looked at Miller's and others and am a little torn. Grandpa had Firestone Field and Roads on it. These, at least now, are 23* lugs. The Goodrich Ground Grips are 45*. I've seen some talk here about the 45* lug being "original". Is this true? Anybody know if IH supplied Goodriches (no real reason, but I have the impression they supplied Firestones)? Hoping for a little discourse and exposition on what might have been original in '47. TIA. Scotty

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Diesel Don

07-05-2002 14:53:50




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
It just so happens that my A had one of the original tires on it until last year.That tire was a Goodyear super sure grip 45* lug at least as far as I can recall.



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ScottyNY

07-04-2002 07:09:30




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
Thanks, all! I'e seen some of the variations in the pictures (Guy Fay's Data Book, the operators and service manuals) When I get the old girl done I'll put up some pics and you an see what I will have found for tractor sneakers ;-) Scotty



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joe

07-04-2002 05:23:50




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
wow, they still sell 45*'s? I got new tires last fall, had to get 23*, cuz that is the only thing the guy in town said you could get anymore in bias ply. And I would have rather had 45*, because they don't sideslip near so bad when you get spinning, and we have lots of sidehills and do lots of spinning...



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PeteNy

07-03-2002 19:02:02




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
Hey Scotty, Call Mike at McKee tires in Cincinatus, NY. I can get ya the number Fri., he treats us well, usually less costly the Millers or the other big [laces. Pete



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Gene

07-03-2002 16:25:12




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
Scotty: I remember most tires back then were the open 45degree type. There was another that many had and it was a continious thread which may be described as a "S" pattern. I think the 1948 C had a picture on its parts manual showing that type. Also note that the extra deep lugs we have now were not as deep in the 1940's. Your best bet may be to find some sales or parts manuals. A 45 degree open straight lug will have high odds of being right if my memory cells are correct for 1947. The "S" pattern would make yours standout some if thats any value. G.

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The Dukester

07-03-2002 15:31:26




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
It's kinda curious, but as I remember, only Goodyear made 45 degree open center tires until about '50 or '51, then all the major tire makers started making tires very similar to the Goodyears. Firestone made a big deal of their closed center, bent bar lugs and Goodrich made a check mark lookin' bent bar tread. Generals and U. S. Royals were different yet and for a time it seemed like everyone was going for the "Monkey Wards" for replacements when they came out with that cross-bar center lug on their tractor tires. Goodyear was the first too with the plain triple rib front tires that have become the standard and all the others have copied that. (send the check directly to me, Mr. Charlie Goodyear). When the wide base rims came out about '39 or '40 the major tire makers got really into tractor tire design and there were some wild tread patterns. I loved the Wards "knobby" design, they would load up so quick in mud, you had to spin 'em in road gear to try to clean 'em out.

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Guy Fay

07-03-2002 13:39:01




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 Re: What tires? in reply to ScottyNY, 07-03-2002 12:13:32  
IH usually dealt with four different tire companies- Goodyear, Firestone, BF Goodrich, and one I can't remember off the top of my head. 45 degrees would be correct.



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SAm in NS

07-03-2002 16:31:21




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 Re: Re: What tires? in reply to Guy Fay, 07-03-2002 13:39:01  
Just by chance that 4th company wouldn't be Dunlop would it? Thanks. SAm in NS



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duane schmidt

07-03-2002 14:46:19




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 Re: Re: What tires? in reply to Guy Fay, 07-03-2002 13:39:01  
This is helpful to me to, as I will soon be trying to purchase rear tires for my 1952 Super C (working on rims first, separate thread).

I'm interested in originality for my SC also, but plan to use this tractor, so I'm also wondering how much difference in traction (etc?) there would be between different tread patterns. The current tires are BF Goodrich Silvertown, with a 45* angle, but each lug is a "check mark" shape. I was told these may be original, but also find that hard to believe.

Duane.

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The Dukester

07-03-2002 19:28:56




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 Re: Re: Re: What tires? in reply to duane schmidt, 07-03-2002 14:46:19  
Duane, it's quite likely those "check mark" Goodrich's are the orginal tires. I say this because my Uncle bought a new H in 1950 and it had those type tires. I'm not sure when Goodrich stopped making that type tire, but they lost their popularity when Goodrich started making the tread pattern that was very similar to Goodyear's(and Firestone, later on)open center, 45 degree lug bar. Goodrich and Firestone deviated from the Goodyear design by using a curved lug bar whereas the Goodyear lug bar was virtually straight. The present Armstrong/Titan tires you see now are similar too, just a coarser tread pattern. Before the check shaped lug came out, Goodrich used a sorta straight bar lug that was "interrupted" from the Firestone straight bar lug connected zig-zag pattern, a tread that was open, but not in the center. This resulted in a sort of long lug-short lug alternating arrangement. Quite honestly, and 'ol Goodyear ain't giving me anything--Goodyear's Super Sure Grip were the best tires money could buy in those days, I think them babies would sell good today.

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General tire the 4th one

07-03-2002 14:38:51




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 Re: Re: What tires? in reply to Guy Fay, 07-03-2002 13:39:01  
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Guy Fay

07-03-2002 15:44:16




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 Re: Re: Re: What tires? in reply to General tire the 4th one, 07-03-2002 14:38:51  
It was U.S. Rubber. The R-1 tread was the "Grip Master".



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ScottyNY

07-03-2002 14:10:03




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 Re: Re: What tires? in reply to Guy Fay, 07-03-2002 13:39:01  
'Xpect if I was in the business, I'd want more than one supplier. Makes sense. Many thanks, Guy.



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