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wade

04-11-2002 11:48:08




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Is a case/IH filter actually better than other brands. What do some of you use? thanks




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Glenn(WV)

04-12-2002 06:46:32




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
It doesn't talk about Case IH filters, but I found this oil filter study to be a real eye-opener. Punch this link:



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Old Dutch

04-12-2002 19:12:39




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to Glenn(WV), 04-12-2002 06:46:32  
Glenn, take a good look at the filters he has cut open and read the articles carefully and you will see what I meant about by-pass valves. They are built into all new full flow filters.



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Poppin' Johnny

04-11-2002 17:06:24




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
I think that if a filter is a reputable brand, like Fram or Purolator, or the same brand as the engine (John Deere for example) I would trust it.



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Check this out

04-12-2002 06:05:59




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to Poppin' Johnny, 04-11-2002 17:06:24  
Almost all vehicles with a full flow oil pressure system have a by-pass valve located in the lube circuit. Now check this out. If you start any vehicle, be it tractor, truck, bus, car or what have you, at 0 degrees or below, how much of that oil is filtered, until it reaches operating temperature? Well fellows guess what? Very little. So make sure the oil stays clean! AND you won't even find an honest engineer that will tell you this I bet. I worked on many different kinds and found the seats so bad on that by-pass that it was easier for the oil to go that route than thru the filter, consequently causing a lot of bearing damage. Check it out.

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caseman-d

04-11-2002 16:21:59




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
Why is it a person will got to Walmart, Kmart, or some other cheap place to buy filters for there 30,000.00 pickup and not care what it's like as long as it's the cheapest thing they can find.

I have sold Fram, Baldwin, Purolator, and Donaldson filters. Even sold a few Wix and Fleetguard filters. I sold these to big construction companys working in extreme dusty working conditions. Out of 12 years selling these filters I have never had any of these cause the loss of an engine, trany, or any componet of piece of equipment.

I had the pleasure of spending about a week in the Baldwin filter factor in NE. I got to listen to the engineers tell me why their filters were the best. They showed me why they thought theirs were made best. Then they took me back to watch them make the filters.Very interesting.

After watching them make Baldwins for awhile they switched to making some Frams, Purolator, and a few more brands. Just like any filter they all meet certain specs of the Original Manufactures Equipment specifiacations.

I have had fleetguard tell me and show me why their filter's were better than all the rest. Been a few years since I been around Fleetguard but they used to be OEM for Cummings and IH. Think they probably both are.

Donaldson my favorite. Thet are OEM for Caterpillar. There is a 99.9 percent chance that filter you buy from the Cat dealer is made by Donaldson. Cat does make very very few of there own filters. What I understand if Cat makes a change Donaldson makes it but cannot sell it till after another filter company comes out with an aftermarket one. I don't have the proof but I know Donaldson also buys filters from other filter companies just like they all do.

Wix makes filters for Napa, Big A(if anyone has any left) Carquest and hard telling who else. Seen Wix in Baldwin and Donaldson boxes. All these companys have been around for a long time.

Filters are made by humans. They are as perfect as we make them. It's amazing how an engineer can work for Balwin for years then go to work for Fram and if that not good enough maybe try Donaldson for a few years. If you was to figure out how many filters are made and sold the number that fail is very small. Some times when a manufacture Such as Dodge for example they changed the air filter on the cummins diesel 3 years in a row. So it's not feesable for every filter company to make one for each year.

So which ones the best! Which one are you comfortable useing? If you are buying that 1.99 filter for your 30,000.00 car or truck they should be good enough for a 500.00-3000.00 tractor. If you change your oil every 2000 to 3000 miles most anything will work. If you change it once every 10,000 you might want to try something besides the 1.99 Walmart special(which reminds me that I heard Walmart doesn't fly the American Flag at their stores unless the employees pay for everything).

I believe 99 percent of all filter failures are caused by human error . Said more that what I had planned on. God gave us a brain to use so why not use it.
caseman-d

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560man

04-11-2002 14:45:48




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
I atteded a caterpillar seminar 3 weeks ago and was shown a a chart comparing all of the major filters they also had each cut apart for you too look at. Lets just say that after seeing how some of the other brands of filters are made we will run nothing but caterpillar filters in our equipment. Cat and the fleetgaurd were the best filters, WIX was by far the worst.



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caseman-d

04-11-2002 16:31:38




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to 560man, 04-11-2002 14:45:48  
Considering Donaldson makes 99.9 percent of cat filters that must make Donaldson one of the best. I feel fleetguard is lower than Fram. If you was to attend a Baldwin semiar you would find out why theirs are better than all the rest. Anything for a sell and charge ya an extra 10.00. caseman-d



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Dave_Id

04-11-2002 16:14:46




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to 560man, 04-11-2002 14:45:48  
.....and Wix makes Napa filters.



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Steven@nd

04-11-2002 12:26:04




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
Nothing but Case/IH or Fleetguard filters on our heavy duty equipment. Have run Case/IH straight 30 weight oil for summer use with CaseIH filters for 25 years with no problems and excellent wear. We run CaseIH 10W in the winter months.

My brother uses ONLY Fleetguard filters and Rotella oil in his Cummins and it has been excellent so far (100k+ miles).

Don't go for the cheapo brand filters, that extra buck could be the cheapest insurance you have!

Steven

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caseman-d

04-11-2002 16:39:48




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to Steven@nd, 04-11-2002 12:26:04  
Now there is some one useing something they are comfortable with. They have used them for years and are happy with them. Talked with my IH dealer and they dropped the fleetguard line because they were having problems with them. Even tho Fleetguard was making them for IH. As the saying goes if it isn't broke why fix it.
caseman-d



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K.B.

04-11-2002 12:34:27




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to Steven@nd, 04-11-2002 12:26:04  
Steven is absolutly right. I heard somewhere that cheap oil filters only filter out about 40% of the junk that gets in the oil.



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Dave_Id

04-11-2002 12:02:57




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 Re: filters in reply to wade, 04-11-2002 11:48:08  
I'm sold on Fleet Guard filters sold by Case/IH. I attended an oil and filter seminar sponsored by Case/IH. They had filters cut in half to show what is inside, and showed all their chemical testing data. Lots of graphs and charts. Case/Ih offers one of the best, if not the best warranties on the market today, if their #1 oil and filters are used in regular maintenance. Fleet Guard makes John Deere filters for their big machines too, but you can get the identical filter with the "Fleet Guard" brand for alot less money.

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Diesel Don

04-11-2002 13:00:28




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 Re: Re: filters in reply to Dave_Id, 04-11-2002 12:02:57  
I have a Dodge truck with a Cummins engine.The only filters allowed by warranty are Fleetgard,Case IH,and Mopar.The other after market filters would disintegrate under the high oil flow on these engines.The fibers would then plug the piston cooling nozzles causing eventual wrist pin and or total piston failure.I got a letter from Chrysler about this.Don't take a chance-use the best!



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caseman-d

04-11-2002 16:25:13




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 Re: Re: Re: filters in reply to Diesel Don, 04-11-2002 13:00:28  
Thats BS. Don't ever let them feed you that line.
caseman-d



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Diesel Don

04-12-2002 13:23:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: filters in reply to caseman-d, 04-11-2002 16:25:13  
I read your post about oil filters this afternoon.You definately have this subject down pat!I get my fleetgard filters at Cummins for $4.50 so I can't really kick on the price.You presented some good information.The way my luck is if I'd go to aftermarket filters the engine would blow up!



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Andrew O. (TX)

04-11-2002 13:37:07




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 Re: Re: Re: filters in reply to Diesel Don, 04-11-2002 13:00:28  
I know that this is not a Dodge or cummins website, but I would like to know about running a k&n air filter in the cummins. I have heard that some say it is bad, and some say it is great. Any ideas or opinions?



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Greaseman

04-11-2002 15:07:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: filters in reply to Andrew O. (TX), 04-11-2002 13:37:07  
Too bad they have changed toilet paper so much as that is what was used as an oil filter so many years ago!



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