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'58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it

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Darren

03-05-2002 23:05:56




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Ol' John down the road says this is the tractor for me. I need a rig to plow and disk, alot of tiller work and a 3pt forklift.

He's got a 1958 Farmall 560 gas, Schwartz WF, TA, live PTO, 2point, 600 hours on it, 30 years stored in a barn, boys this thing purrs. Not a museum piece but the tin's all straight and rust is almost zero.

Q #1) is $6000 too obscene? (gasp!)
Q #2) convert to 3point? This one's got me worried. It's got a 2point (quick hitch?) I'd like the option to hook up cleanly to any modern 3pt/pto implement, without doing anything too blasphemous to this pristine beauty. What's the story? Is it a common conversion? Is it possible? Expensive? Or is the 2point the greatest invention I've never heard of?

Market farmer, 10-15 acres, 36 yrs old
Silvana (pop 150 or so), Washington State

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Silvertop01

03-08-2002 15:43:35




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I recently purchased a '59 Farmall 560 with a
wide front-end and a 3pt attachment. It is
definitely not in new condition and when pur-
chased ran rather shabby. Putting new spark
plug wires, plugs, voltage regulator, sediment
bowl screen, and a coil on it made a really big
difference. Runs on first turnover. Sounds
great!! Used it for winter snow blading/clean
up, hydralics work well. Traded in a 1940 8N
on it because the Ford wouldn't start in the
cold and didn't have the muscle needed for
the implements I have. Sounds like $6000 is
too much, but should be around 3-4000. You
can do better financially, but I believe in the
560, it's dependable and strong for its year.

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Don H

03-06-2002 19:16:06




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
Presuming that you really are correct that the tractor has 600 hrs on it, it is barely broken in. The price seems to me on the high side but you can't buy a tractor like that now for anywhere near that price. For one that can do the work a 560 can, you would pay 25-30 thousand. Only you can decide if it's worth the price. Your question about the fast hitch seems to infer you think of it as a disadvantage. I would suggest to you it's really an advantage. You can get conversion arms that slide right into the fast hitch brackets and can use any 3 point implement you want, while also being able to use the fast hitch. Most people who have used both agree that the the fast hitch is superior to 3 point, but it just wasn't as widely used, primarily because IH wouldn't license the idea to any other manufacturer. John Deere tried to buy it, but IH refused, probably a big mistake in retrospect.

Here in our area (central Illinois) a good 560 will go for about $2500-$4000, but that would be for one with lots of hours on it. The price is high for the one you are considering, but it doesn't take long to stick $1000 or more in repairs on a lesser tractor. Good luck to you.

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Rick

03-06-2002 15:33:33




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I purchased a '59 560 last summer and converted the fast hitch to a 3-pt with a conversion kit from Valu-Built (about $200). It works for the most part but does not lift some implements high enough. If I were to do it over again, I'd spend the extra and go with the Saginaw 3-pt (about $650). They claim it allows you to keep the 2-pt as well.

For $6000 I'd want everything to work…T/A, PTO lockout, and hydraulic pump come to mind.

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Sammy

03-06-2002 09:50:32




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
How bad do ypu want it ? How bad do you want to part with the money ? I own a 1978 White 2-105 with 139.4 Hours on it (replaced the tac. when it siezed up) ! The neighbor was cought , when renting a tractor from a dealer , Removing the cable from the engine ! That is one way to keep the hours off ! The tractor WILL need to be pulled apart , seals , gaskets , O rings , rusty / tight bearings , ECT.

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Old Hand

03-06-2002 10:58:59




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 Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Sammy, 03-06-2002 09:50:32  
You may be right but I put a 1940 M that had been sitting in pole barn for 30 years in service last year. This tractor had seen many years of hard work before it was parked. I may be living on borrowed time but after running 100 gals. of gasoline through it the tractor runs good the only leak it has is a slight oil leak behind govener. It has used 1 qt. of oil the clutch and brakes work perfect and the transmission sounds good. I did pull PTO and look inside when I had gear lube drained and there was not the slightest sign of rust in that end. Sometimes you get lucky.

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Matthew

03-06-2002 11:40:43




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 Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Old Hand, 03-06-2002 10:58:59  
It depends on where it's at. If a tractor sets for thirty years up here in the Dakota's it's going to have water in everything. Just from condesation and frost.



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Steven@nd

03-06-2002 08:43:51




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
Kind of a unique opportunity to buy a tractor that old with only 600 hours! In my area at the dealers that price is CHEAP! They want $4500 for a hailed out 560 gas that is missing a lot of the tin work, bad tires, front end broke and welded, probably 8000 hours and the list of bad things goes on. I would think that a collector would jump right on that! It's like getting a 58 Chevy 2 door hardtop with only 10,000 miles on it!

My $0.02
Steven

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Keith B

03-06-2002 17:53:57




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 Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Steven@nd, 03-06-2002 08:43:51  
Hey, that sounds like my 560. WHen I bought it it had bad front tires (still does actually) broken and welded front end, missing some tin.... But then I paid alot less for it.



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JC

03-06-2002 08:30:19




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
We use a farmall 450 that has the quick hitch. We have what we call a wishbone that converts it to a three point set up.Check with your delar and see what he says about it. On the price of the 560 to me that is a little steep. Well thats my 2 cents.
JC



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Matthew

03-06-2002 08:12:35




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I doubt that it has only 600 hours on it. 10600 would be more like it. Buyer beware!



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Dave_Id

03-06-2002 07:18:45




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I bought a Super C that was used only one summer. All the tires are like new. You are getting in effect a new tractor, even if he's asking $6000. You can always chisel him down some, but be prepared to spend some money replacing dried out seals. I've seen Massey 65's go for $4500 and 165's go for higher prices than that. Sounds like once in a lifetime opportunity to find a really fine tractor.

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sod

03-06-2002 07:12:23




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I would say the consensus is that that tractor is way too expensive. You can spend your tractor money better than that.
I wouldn't even dream of it. sod



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Keith

03-06-2002 06:51:43




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
6000?....OUCH. Even with those low hours I would hesitate. With half maintenance these things last and last. I would look around. If you were in TX I could set you up with a 560 LP that already has 3pt for 1500 that is being advertised in the paper (I haven't seen it and am afraid to look because I do NOT need anymore tractors right now) even if I would like to have more. Look around.



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MD Wa

03-06-2002 08:27:41




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 Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Keith, 03-06-2002 06:51:43  
Keith Way off subjet but what part of Tx and are LP tractors (letters H M supers)still abilable. The coolest would be a red two row cotton picker on LP. I have been know to drive way to far if it is somsthing I think I can not live with out. Thanks MD Wa



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Keith

03-06-2002 09:20:36




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 Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to MD Wa, 03-06-2002 08:27:41  
From The Dallas Morning News Classifieds I saw this ad today for a LP 400 for sale $4500. This guy is WAAAAAYYY to proud of that tractor. I see them sell for as low as 800. Oh well, I guess it is just what it is worth to the seller/buyer



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Old Hand

03-06-2002 09:05:00




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 Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to MD Wa, 03-06-2002 08:27:41  
I don't know about Texas but in Alabama, Tennesse,amd Mississippi cotton country the fence rows are full of old 2 row IH LP cotton pickers. The 2 rows were not mountrd on tractors though. About 2 years ago I saw 25, by actual count, LP Ms in service hooked to portable catfish pond aerators near hiway 12 West of Belzoni Mississippi the catfish capital of the world. At least that is what they say.

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Keith

03-06-2002 08:54:22




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 Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to MD Wa, 03-06-2002 08:27:41  
This 560 LP is near Waco. I also know of a 560 LP that is for sale in Anson, TX for 1850 that has 2pt. I live in East Texas and don't see many LP tractors here. I work in West Texas a lot and see many more LP there but I don't recall seeing any letter series on LP. You see 100's etc sometimes. I like LP tractors myself, many do not. While I don't have any IH LP (all my red is diesel), I would be inclined to look hard at one when I am ready to buy another because the prices are typically lower than gas or diesel. I do have LP of other colors.

Email if you want info on the tractors for sale and before I am yelled at, this is not a classified, I do not own nor do I know who owns these tractors, I am not a broker nor am I trying to make a penny. I am just a fellow collector that likes to share info.

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MD Wa

03-06-2002 19:35:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Keith, 03-06-2002 08:54:22  
Keith and Old Hand Thanks for the re: on LP tractors. I have kin in Miss and Al so I will be down there next yr and to get there I will go through Tx. Thanks again. MD



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Keith B (PA)

03-07-2002 07:41:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to MD Wa, 03-06-2002 19:35:20  
FYI: Keith and Keith B are two different people. Altough if I could find away to get to Texas, I would like the LP 560 also!

I'll start posting as Keith B(PA) since I'm from Pennsylvania.



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Wildbill

03-06-2002 06:14:34




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
If it has been in storage for 30 years then they used the tractor 60hrs. a year for 10 years, hardly worth buying the thing in the first place. There are stranger things out there, but I would not pay any extra unless you could verify the hours somehow. Anyway, 6 grand is way too high. Saw good 560Ds, gas, and LPs all sell this year for less than $2000. My 560 showed 900hrs. when I got it, and I am sure it does not have a minute under 9000 in reality. Lovely tractors, but don't pay too much. Bill

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You pay for what you get.

03-06-2002 06:03:25




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
If the tractor only has 600 actual hours has always been kept in dry and everthig on it works good you might be better off with it for $6000 than with a run of the mill wore out one for 1/3 the price.



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Haas

03-06-2002 05:36:48




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
A conversion kit that to use 3 pt implements to go in the fast hitch should be readily available and not too expensive. Can't believe tractor really has only 600 hrs. That's a rare find, but $6000 sounds a bit high. I'd think $4000 tops. But you never know. I saw a 450 sell at auction last fall for almost $5000. (very good condition with 2800 hrs on the meter) Also, the 560s had rear end troubles and IH had to retro fit them. You need to make sure it has the retrofit, especially if you plan any heavy work. IH marked the serial tag, I believe when the retro fits were done.

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Keith B

03-06-2002 05:33:37




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
Sounds like a sweet machine. Priced a little high, but an all original 560 with only $600 hours? And it's a 58? Wasn't that the first year they made them?

I have a '63 560 with the fast hitch and love it. And I'll say the two point fast hitch is the greatest invention ever. And if you use the fast hitch to 3 point conversion, that is even easier to hook to 3 point implements than a regular 3 point hitch. I know on my Father-in-law's 8n, it takes two men and a couple of smashed thumbs to hook up any implement. You do have to be careful when buying 3 point implements as the bottom links do not swing left and right independently.

Gees, I started rambling again. But I love my Farmall 560 and fast hitch.

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Dan

03-06-2002 05:28:52




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
Have a 58 myself, good tractor. 2pt-3pt conversion is simple and works. Using a tiller may be a problem, tractor may not go slow enough for your tiller. Max tiller ground speed should be checked against lowest tractor speed (1st gear w/torque amplifier). For the kind of money and HP you are looking at, I would want a 656 Hydro. Great tiller/loader/hay tractor and ok for minimal or light tillage. Hydros are expensive to repair.

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gene b

03-06-2002 04:43:48




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
you are getting basicly a new tractor you can very easy find some used ones cheap then spend 3000 getting them fixed what imp do you want to put on the tractor the two point stuff is getting thinned out but is still avail some places they give them away



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Ret

03-06-2002 04:24:39




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
I have a 1962 Farmall 560 gas with a schwartz wide front in excellent condition and new rear rubber which I don't think is worth $4500. The 560 is not a big demand tractor so $6000 is too high.



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LazyHorse

03-06-2002 04:09:03




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
There are 3 point conversions which plug right into the 2 point arms, then have a seperate peive that attatches above the PTO for the top link. Honestly even though the tractor is very low hours, the price sounds aout double what I would expect to pay for a 560. I'd offer $4000 tops and see if he takes it.



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Kurt

03-06-2002 03:05:11




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 Re: '58 Farmall 560 with 600 hrs on it in reply to Darren, 03-05-2002 23:05:56  
You may be able to convert to a 3 pt with a saginaw 3 pt, about $600 I guess. If it fits. And I would look in the classifieds on this site to see if $6000 is too much, dont know Ive never seen one for sale.



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