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A little tune-up idea for all tractors

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RKS

05-21-1999 20:54:56




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Are you tired of having cranking, running, or charging problems? They may all be related and it is very common on these boards to see these problems creep up. Much grief might be eliminated by owners if they would just perform a top-notch tune-up on the ignition system and/or carburetor, depending on how the tractor cranks and runs. It will make the electrical system appear to work better, and make the tractor more efficient to boot. Too, cranking problems that used to be blamed on the carburetor might just disappear. You 6V people really need all you can do to improve cranking and running, huh?

Here is one idea I hope you appreciate. I think it makes good sense, and I've had good luck with it on automobiles and tractors alike. Why not consider advancing the timing on your engine just slightly the next time you tune it up. Think about it. Is that tractor running the same type fuel it used when new and for much of its life afterward? The answer is no - - that fuel isn't available now regularly. Say thanks to the EPA for that. Fuel doesn't burn as evenly or detonate as rapidly, regardless of grade, as it used to when tetra-ethyl-lead was used, and you usually can't get the high octane gasoline that was available and common then, unless you have a line on aviation gas, or avgas.

Anyway, do you realize how "slow" the detonation within a piston engine is, particularly when that engine was designed for fuel with a much faster rate of detonation, and lead was added? At just 450 rpm, a speed that most engines almost stumble at, the flywheel is moving through 7 1/2 revolutions per second, or about 2,700 degrees of arc - - each second! Consider for a moment how long it takes the flywheel to rotate through just 2 degrees of arc. It works out to .00074 seconds, or a little more than 7.5/10,000's of one second. How long do you think the gasoline detonation inside the cylinder takes? Remember that the timing is supposed to also be checked for advance at higher rpm, such as 1,200 or 2,000 rpm and that those advances are supposed to be something like 20-45 degrees, or more!! Does that give you an idea of how really slow it can be?

I like to watch car racing, and I remember watching the first time trials in which cars qualified at 200 mph. Know how far a car travels at 200 mph in .00074 seconds? (hint: 60 mph is about 88 ft/sec) **About 2.6 inches!** (near the width of the average man's wrist) - - and in about the same amount of time that 2 degrees of ignition timing advance takes at only 450 rpm. Want that old tractor to run like a sewing machine, and give the battery and starter a little help? My old 1941 Farmall "H" cranks when I whistle. In fact, I think it likes to crank,- - sometimes I have found it running from "spontaneous cranking" ha! - - and I think it has something to do with advancing the timing just a tad. Why don't you try it? Put the timing light on your engine, set it to factory specs, and then try advancing the timing just a tad, say about 1-3 degrees at 450-500 rpm from what the mfg recommended. Don't advance it enough to lug down the engine. As you advance, it should smooth out and quiet slightly, with a slight increase in rpm. You can find the right setting by listening and/or watching your tachometer. You see, you'll be correcting the timing slightly to take into consideration the slight delay in detonation of the lower quality fuels we have today. You'll be placing the "expansion" of hot gases, which happens later in the detonation, closer to where the mfg designed it to be (that is - - nearer to the old recommended timing mark). The engine should crank and run better, be slightly more efficient, and even cool more efficiently. Give it a try. RKS

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RKS - the apology

05-23-1999 15:47:29




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 Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RKS, 05-21-1999 20:54:56  
Please one and all, especially Butch, accept my apology for my own misunderstanding of octane. Appears I've been in the right Church, wrong pew myself, for all of my adult life. Well - there's no tooth fairy either. And, Nellie, you are very gracious to inform us of the particulars which are well-confirmed. However, I've been a personal witness to considerably improved cranking performance and gasoline mileage on many personal vehicles after slightly advancing the ignition timing. Also, I have always correctly known that higher octane fuels gain in "uniformity" of combustion. Unfortunately, I appended my understanding to include "rapidity," and higher energy content, and these are my significant errors. Albeit the results of irregular and incomplete combustion can have the "same effect as if the combustion was slower," since an incomplete combustion is never finished and therefore by definition "slower." Thank you for my new information. RKS

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Douglas Stockman

05-23-1999 05:40:35




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 Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RKS, 05-21-1999 20:54:56  
RKS:

Thanks for the advice. I appreciate the short lectures you give on improving the operation of our tractors. I am just getting around to working on my 1940 Farmall A. The new wires and plugs arrived yesterday as you suggested (I think it was you). Now, can you tell this neophyte where I can learn how to set the timing? I do not know the first thing about timing. I do not have any mechanics friends. Do the tune-up videos walk one through it well enough to be useful? Thanks in advance.

Douglas Stockman
dstockman@pol.net
Rochester, NY

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RKS

05-23-1999 11:03:06




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 Re: Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to Douglas Stockman, 05-23-1999 05:40:35  
Douglas, It might be best for you to get the video although I haven't seen it. I think there is just really no substitute for doing this at least once with someone who knows how, but you may only be able to accomplish this with the video. That will give you an idea about what tools and equipment are needed and give you a sort of dry run before you actually begin. I will say some of the finest people I've known were up-state NY'ers, and I'll just bet that if you went to any local tractor repair or auto shop and asked someone to show you how to set points, condenser, plugs, and locate the timing marks, probably someone would be willing to show you. They might even come over and demonstrate it on your tractor for a return favor someday. Who knows? If the tractor is cranking and running well, you probably ought to wait until you have the video and all the components before you start. You can put the wiring harness on (you say you have it). Just be careful and make sure every wire is correctly connected. If you are experienced with changing plugs on an auto or pick-up truck, then do that too. Otherwise wait, because the worst thing you could do as a beginner is strip out the plug threads on the cylinder head. The book says gap them at .025 - - Then crank the engine and make sure there were no problems. We'll be here when you come back. RKS

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RELATED TUNEUP

05-22-1999 07:35:00




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 Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RKS, 05-21-1999 20:54:56  
RKS: Thats interesting.. I would like to add that a small "hot-rod" speed shop in the small town near where I grew up had a dyno for testing. The owner\operator was doing so many non-stock changes to engines that he felt that the best way was to do all final tune up checks on a dyno at up to 50+ mph to make sure he was getting the best preformance. His shop was well respected for good results.. and he also did not stick to "just the factory settings".. harvey

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RKS

05-22-1999 08:04:55




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 Re: Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RELATED TUNEUP, 05-22-1999 07:35:00  
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The Red is Impressed!

05-22-1999 04:54:54




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 Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RKS, 05-21-1999 20:54:56  
RKS, excellent teaching there. I am always learning something on this board and its very much appreciated.



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Chad Wink

05-21-1999 23:25:48




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 Re: a little tune-up idea for all tractors in reply to RKS, 05-21-1999 20:54:56  
Man you put alot of effort into that posting. Its longer than some of my longwinded answers to oil questions. Good work guy.



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