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Randy

12-30-2001 15:04:57




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Hi Folks,

I am live in MA where the temperature is now about 20 degrees. I can run my C for half an hour and then hold my hand comfortably against the engine (C113). I put on a new Case temp. gauge and it doesn't even register cold. The tractor has a water pump and a one year old thermostat. With the radiator cap off I can see the antifreeze circulating under pressure.

Does this engine normally run this cold? Any thoughts on whether my thermostat and temp. guage are working?

Randy

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Randy

12-31-2001 07:17:12




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
Hi Folks,

Thanks for the information and ideas. It sounds like my tractor is running normally for the winter.

I appreciate the tips and advice on how to check my thermostat (located at engine top) and temp guage.

The low engine temp. sounds more related to the tractor not having to work hard. Not surprising since tractor life in MA is easy.

Randy



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joe in CT

12-31-2001 06:30:01




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
i wouldnt worry, we use an m for plowing snow and it will stay in cool section on gauge. doenst bother me. after and hour or two its in the run section



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william

12-31-2001 02:47:53




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
If you can see the coolant circulating strongly in the radiator then the thermostat is open. If the thermostat is open and the engine is not up to the thermostat's rated temperature then the thermostat is bad. If the coolant is circulating you can double check the temp by sticking a cooking thermometer in the top of the radiator.



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John A

12-30-2001 19:23:26




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
Randy, Tractors are usually used in hat weather. so winter use will make it difficult to get them to operating temp. Even here in Texas winter use in the teens and twentys will make it hard to keep operating temp. Cut an old feed sack and put over the grill then watch to see if your old darlin comes to tall.
good luck
John A.



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Dave K

12-30-2001 18:31:27




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
I agree, they run cool. I have an older C with a thermosyphon system (no water pump or thermostat) and I took out the original gauge since I thought it was broken. I've had this tractor for 25 years and you have to work it really hard to heat it up at all. It's a great tractor.



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Irv

12-30-2001 17:35:15




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
I have 2 H's and a 300U. None of them seem to ever run hot. The 300 will get into a low normal range if I am working the heck out of it. The H's never seem to warm up a lot. I think this is due to 2 things: The radiator capacity relative to the engine displacement is huge, and the blocks are massive, able to disipate large amounts of heat. A 6 qt oil capacity probability doesn't hurt either. I think this design will work if half the radiator is full of junk and covered in crud. That is probably why so many are still around. Irv

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Steven@nd

12-30-2001 17:12:36




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
By chance, would the temp gauge sensor be in the same place as an A? If it is on the bottom inlet coming from the radiator it never will move as that is the cold water coming back to the engine from the radiator. POOR design to have the sensor where the cooled water is coming back, because by the time that gets hot enough to get anyone's attention the engine will be toast.

When I start using my A again this summer I am going to do some modifications - starting with putting the temp sensor on the TOP radiator hose where the hot water is!

Steven

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ironhead

12-30-2001 17:52:28




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 Re: Re: My C runs cold in reply to Steven@nd, 12-30-2001 17:12:36  
what kind of a set up is that, is the sensor in the hose or in radiator ?



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Steven@nd

12-30-2001 20:04:42




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 Re: Re: Re: My C runs cold in reply to ironhead, 12-30-2001 17:52:28  
Not sure what you mean, but right now on my A the sensor is close to the block on the LOW side of the radiator where the cooled water would be coming in. I plan to move the sensor to the head somewhere or near the block where the top radiator hose connects.

Steven



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J.D. Humm

12-30-2001 16:46:39




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
I've been around 200's and Super C's a lot in my life, used to plow for hours at a time on a 200 when I was a kid. Never saw the temperature gauge hardly get into the green pulling it's innards out on a 90 degree day, they just run cool. I wouldn't worry about it, it is the nature of the little beast. Just think- Dad used to farm 400 plus acres with a 340 and a 200, and every acre was plowed every year. No one would farm like that today. I spent all my free time on that 200 and 2-bottom 14 inch plow.

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Farmer Bob

12-30-2001 15:12:03




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 Re: My C runs cold in reply to Randy, 12-30-2001 15:04:57  
Randy, You can either put a cover over the grille while the tractor is warming up to check if the gauge moves off of cold or pull the sensing bulb on the end of the gauge wire out of the thermostat housing and stick in a pan of hot water. If the gauge moves, it probably is working okay.

The C113 engine does not really heat up with the tractor just sitting running. You'll have to go out and do some work with it to get it up to normal operating temp.//FB

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Mick Kanic

12-30-2001 16:33:10




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 Re: Re: My C runs cold in reply to Farmer Bob, 12-30-2001 15:12:03  
I have a super C that also runs cold. I've put a new thermostat, new gauge, and sensor. The gauge just moves but stays in the cold. Even when working pulling a set of harrows, or running a NH 467 haybine, nothing seems to get it hot. The dealer says that it is supposed to have a 180 F thermostat, but now I"m wondering if thats to cold. Thinking of trying a 195 F. All it gets used for now is raking hay but it would be nice to see that gauge reeding in the normal range.

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