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460 gas, good/bad?

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Bruce H.

07-29-2001 19:21:18




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I am looking at a 59' Farmall 460 gas with a Swartz wide-front, 3 point adapters( aux. set of remotes for the loader), a good heavy-duty loader but with a cobbled up bucket. It runs great, engine feels strong and all the fluids are clean, everything works(including the TA) The back tires are 50% and the front tires are new. Straight tin with fenders. He is calling it partially restored(painted just the sheetmetal,wheels,wide front and frame rail, but the rest of the paint is faded but still decent. It needs seat cushions. What are this model's strengths/weakneses? I will be plowing,disking,bushogging, spreading, loading manure, round bales etc. with this tractor. Anything special I need to check out on this tractor before I buy? The guy says make an offer. What should I offer?

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Mark

07-31-2001 01:11:57




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 Re: 460 gas, good/bad? in reply to Bruce H., 07-29-2001 19:21:18  
I have a '63 Farmall 560 wide front I'm bringing back from the dead, running well now but still under restoration. The 460/560 was a very well-designed midsize tractor with lots of "modern" features like multiple hydraulics and power steering(!), lots of engine power with great low-end torque, relatively easy to get mechanical parts. Sheet metal parts and such have been much harder to find.

The mechanical suspension seats found on this series are really expensive to repair. Unless you are restoring it for show, consider replacing it with a more modern mechanical (not air) suspension seat, possibly out of a heavy truck salvage yard. You can also order them from the Northern Tool website. Northern also has replacement IH cushions if the seat mechanicals are OK.

I've had to do a lot of research on parts, etc. because there are very few sources of old tractor components in my area of the country. All you experts out there correct me if I am wrong, but I think the 460 & 560 share a lot of driveline components. My understanding is that the early years of production on this series (1958-59-60?) had serious problems with the TA, leading to a major recall by the factory. This problem was fixed for later models which were in production through 1963. I would check this out carefully, checking for serial number vs. when the problem was determined at the factory, to see if this is one of the affected tractors. IF the tractor and/or TA was not used hard, there may not be any problem. Is it possible to determine if any TA recall repairs were done, or if that model had any of those TA problems to begin with? That mechanic may be able to help with these issues.

This may affect the tractor's value significantly. I've driven tractors of this type where the TA was totally shot, and they seemed to drive fine in upper-range gears, although I did not attempt to pull a load with them. I passed up several older 460's and 560's until I found mine, largely because of TA problems. A lot depends on what you plan to do with the tractor. Running a mower is a lot different than plowing all day or pulling stumps. If possible, operate it under the anticipated load, to see if things really work. Check out the archives on this message forum, there may be a lot of info on the TA problems, as well as other stuff related to the 460. Sounds like a good tractor, just be fully informed to avoid nasty surprises.

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Denny Frisk

07-31-2001 13:11:14




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 Re: Re: 460 gas, good/bad? in reply to Mark, 07-31-2001 01:11:57  
Your correct the TA was a kinda weak spot in IH's of this vintage, the recall when the 460/560 was just released was due to the final drive and rear axle bearings failing, not the TA. There probably was some common parts between the 460 and the 560, but the final drive housings are a lot closer in size to an H than an M. The 6-cyl. engines were more powerful than the 4-cyl. counterparts, and they ran faster, but all the 460/560's I saw all either idled, or they ran wide open, You couldn't run them at 1200 RPM to rake hay! Hit a small incline and they'd bog down, give them some throttle and they'd buzz all the way to 1800!

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TP from Central PA

07-30-2001 06:22:43




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 Re: 460 gas, good/bad? in reply to Bruce H., 07-29-2001 19:21:18  
Neighbor always tells me stories of a 460 he bought new he said it was one heck of a tractor, he like the smooth six as he previously had owned and ran SM's, SM-TA's, 300's, and 400's. He sold the tractor years ago but regrets it to this day. I never had any experience with a 460, but I do run a 560 often, Along with a SM, SM-TA, 300, and a 400. Overall I Like the tractor for these reasons- Six cylinder power is great(engine was just rebuilt this past winter), Hydraulics are better than any thing else I use, Nice power steering, and the seat is comfortable, oh and it doesn't drink the fuel like the other models above. The reason I don' like it- engine is not as torquey as the models above, Hydraulic valves are a reach while looking behind at implements, the operators platform is cluttered( I am pretty tall so my knee catches the shifter when the tractor is in first or third) oh and on mine the suicide knob is close to the throttle so if my hand is on the throttle and I turn the steering wheel the knob take a peice of skin off my hand on the throttle( haven't got around to fix these things yet!). Overall I think it would make a good tractor and I think you would be overally pleased with it .

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davem

07-30-2001 05:27:54




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 Re: 460 gas, good/bad? in reply to Bruce H., 07-29-2001 19:21:18  
I agree with raw,they are disapponting to me. Our tractor club was plowing last fall I had my "M" pulling three fourteens and my freind with a 460 hooked up and it woulded or coulded pull the plow nearly as well,just my opinion too



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RAW i IA

07-29-2001 20:52:21




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 Re: 460 gas, good/bad? in reply to Bruce H., 07-29-2001 19:21:18  
I would rather have a SMTA or 400/450 than a 460. I always thought they were too long and awkward, and the engine has no torque. Lose a few rpmin a hard pull and you have to shift, won't pullthrouygh like th older 4 cyl. engines would. Mechanically, they had the same basic trans. and rear end as the H/350 series had. Just my opinion.



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