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Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!!

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The Red

06-24-2001 14:51:04




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Good news Farmallers. My neighbor came over this morning with a 9/16 socket with a built in U joint. He was able to get it mounted onto the top bolt on the #1 rod cap. He then stuck on two 8 inch long 3/8 extensions. He used it like a lever and the bolt loosened up. I removed the lower bolt and removed the rod cap.

During the day I kept applying more jack pressure. Late in the afternoon I realized that the block of wood on top of #2 sleeve was collapsing. So I removed it and wrapped the chain directly over it. My neighbor suggested I tap rapidly on the top of the sleeve to create vibration. Lo and behold it started to budge. With more force, PB blaster and pounding, it finally let loose.

It is now about 4 inches up. I need to find some narrow stock to bypass the wrist pin casting on the piston so I can push the assembly the rest of the way out.

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Ludwig

06-25-2001 10:35:09




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
Nice job Red, you'll have that "parts machine" running yet.
I got my boss to consent to letting me have the last week in August off for the big trip north to rebuild Granny's kitchen floor and recover my Regular.
You've given me a lot of good ideas on how to get the pistons out of my machine. I need to be a little more carefull of course. Pistons and sleeves for a Regular are minde bendingly expensive. As opposed to the H where they're just horrible.

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The Red

06-25-2001 10:50:16




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to Ludwig, 06-25-2001 10:35:09  
Thanks Ludwig. I haven't priced pistons and sleeves yet. I won't start ordering parts until the sleeves are completely out. I'll get the head rebuilt at NAPA first then figure out what I need from Bermuda Ken.



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marvin

06-25-2001 09:51:02




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
The old time honor principles of PB Blaster, hydraulic power adn patients work again! However it never feels like your patient when you are working on these and your wondering if you fighting against the laws of physics. Congratulations Red. Another $1000 and there old rustey bucket will be purring like a kitten again.
Thanks for sharing oyur experiences with the group.



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The Red

06-25-2001 10:33:45




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to marvin, 06-25-2001 09:51:02  
Thanks Marvin. I got #4 pushed up about 4 inches before sunset yesterday. This afternoon I will disconnect it from the crank and then figure out how to push the 4 sleeves out the last 4 inches.

$1,000 would appear to be about right. Engine wise I'll need pistons, sleeves, rings and rod bearings from Bermuda Ken. Head wise, I'll take it to NAPA and have them go through it. Probably seat/valve grinding/lapping, valve guides, springs and manifold studs. Also boiled fluxed and shaved. I'll get a manifold and muffler and gauges from Bermuda Ken along with a padded seat pan.

Electrical wise, I'll get the generator converted to 12 volt (sorry Gene b) and the starter rebuilt.

Eventually I'll get new main rims and tires from M.E. Miller. No rush on that.

Belly pump looks like it will need the usual seal and gasket. While the belly pump is down, I'll check the clutch shaft and counter shaft seals on the transmission.

If all goes well, it should be running in 60 days but I have no schedule set on this one.

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The Undertaker

06-25-2001 05:19:50




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
The Red!

It's a little late now as you have succeeded in the most difficult tasks, but just a thought I had you might consider? If you've already decided not to use the old sleeves would it not be possible to mount one between to square blocks of 1X's..Find the centers....drill a hole through each....run a long bolt through the blocks and sleeve.....turn the assembly in an arbor such as lathe, drill secured in a vice....then use a metal file, and or suitable abrasive to reduce the diameter a couple thousands to slip through the cavity and butt against the old sleeve to push it on out?????

"TU"

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The Red

06-25-2001 05:32:18




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Undertaker, 06-25-2001 05:19:50  
Remember the rods are still connected to the pistons. So there is not much room to push the four sleeves out. I'll scratch what hair I have left at work today and figure out something. I might drill a hole through the side of the sleeves and mount a bolt or something. The sleeves are fairly weathered. I know the head was off for 3 years minimum.



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The Undertaker

06-25-2001 07:05:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-25-2001 05:32:18  
The Red!

Yep! Guess that would be an enormous challenge trying to pull a Houdini. Hope your drill bits are sharper and harder than are what in my stores.

"TU"



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The Red. (GULP!)

06-25-2001 07:50:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Undertaker, 06-25-2001 07:05:21  
First thing this afternoon is to unbolt #4 from the crank journal. Then I can move the crank around. Then I'll try to get creative on getting those 4 sleeves out!



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F20II :o) Yep

06-24-2001 21:53:51




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
Now when ya are done with the rusty H ya can come on over to my house a start puttin my 43 H together fer me, ya getting real good with them H's :o) Glad to see ya made progress :o)



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The Red

06-25-2001 03:34:03




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to F20II :o) Yep, 06-24-2001 21:53:51  
Thanks Charlie. Sounds like you get the award for traveling all over the country finding parts for that H!



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Farmer Bob

06-24-2001 18:35:44




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
Right on- Red! No jug too hard for the wrath of The Red. Best of luck with Old Rusty H.//FB



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The Red

06-25-2001 03:31:04




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to Farmer Bob, 06-24-2001 18:35:44  
Thanks Bob! #4 pushed up about 3 inches in one sweeping WHOOSH before sundown last night. I still have to unbolt it from the crank. First time that crank has turned in a loooooooooooong time.



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Red Dave

06-24-2001 16:40:49




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
Hey, great news! Do you still hope to reuse the pistons & sleeves?



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The Red

06-25-2001 03:23:39




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to Red Dave, 06-24-2001 16:40:49  
I really doubt it. Once I get the fused piston/sleeve assemblies out of the block, I'll take them to NAPA and let their machine shop mess with them. As long as I can get the rods removed, that will be fine. I have an original set of IH pistons from the 1951 project that still look good.



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Bob in Southwest Iowa

06-24-2001 16:39:09




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 Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red, 06-24-2001 14:51:04  
Sounds great! You're on a roll now!
Bob



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The Red. Yep!

06-25-2001 03:17:50




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 Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to Bob in Southwest Iowa, 06-24-2001 16:39:09  
#4 pushed up before sundown last night. I still have to unbolt the rod but now I have room to get a socket on the rod cap bolts.



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The Undertaker

06-25-2001 12:39:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Old Rusty H. YESSSSS-----PROGRESS!!!!! in reply to The Red. Yep!, 06-25-2001 03:17:50  
The Red!

Hurry up a little bit will ya? You've got me so I can't sleep at nights wondering about your progress. Not only is my sleep being interfered with thinking about it, but I'm on my way to being an octogenarian in just a couple years...., so, have a heart and get that Red's red thing hummin.

Be careful though, I wouldn't want you to lose a finger in the process. Meantime, I won't belabor this subject any further.

"TU"

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