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Mr. Haney and the snowball effect

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05-25-2001 09:09:15

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So when I got this H the guy explained that he had rebuilt the engine but hadn't done anything to the transmission yet. Told me that it jumped out of fifth, and that when he used it he was just laying his foot against the shift. I could see that the seals on the brakes and something at the front of the tranny were leaking. I figured I'd fix all this as I got around to it, maybe in the fall. When I got it home I went ahead and changed the oil in the rear. Decided to go ahead and change the 4th/5th slider and the shaft it snuggles up to while I was in there finding which bearing had scattered the keeper from it's balls. Turned out to be two bearings, both on the right bull pinion; the one out at the brakes and the one at the side of the differential case. The one at the hoghead had some sort of spacer that it was mounted on and since the side of the spacer that faced the hoghead was pretty rough ( as was the spacer in the side of the hoghead) I thought to get these bearings from the dealer and replace the spacers, too. In fact, I got everything but the gear and shaft from the dealer. It was too much cheaper ($150) to get them from Mike. When I called the dealer to see if everything was in he told me that the spacer I wanted was actually a collar that was part of the casting of the diff. case, which case was no longer available from Case. Off to the salvage yard. Glad now that they couldn't get a new one - Lord knows what it would have cost.
Anyway, I've got everything I need now and am trying to put it back together without seeing anything else. That brings me to my question. The new type seals on the brakes: they're a lot thinner - do I push them all the way in or just some certain distance?

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Michael Soldan

05-25-2001 14:57:15

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 Re: Mr. Haney and the snowball effect in reply to William, 05-25-2001 09:09:15  
William, I just did the H brakes and seals. The new seals are less than half the width of the old ones, but the technology of them makes them far better than the old wide felt ones. My dealer told me to install them flush to the tractor only. Make sure that the collar on the drum is clean and rust free. I bought an old H that had been outside for many years and the slight little rust spots on the collar were enough to chew up the old seal. I cleaned them with fine emery cloth. You will find another advantage to the new seal. The collar may be marked from where the old seal ran on it, the new seal sits further out and runs on a different spot on the drum collar,thus no leakage and a good seal. Give me a shout if you need any info. My dealer was good enought to run off a copy of the assembly and a copy of all the parts and part numbers. Good luck from Mike in Exeter ontario

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The Red

05-25-2001 09:28:54

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 Re: Mr. Haney and the snowball effect in reply to William, 05-25-2001 09:09:15  
Good question William. You can push those in to your desire. If you have a rough spot on the brake drum, where it will be rubbing the seal, try to place the seals so they miss that spot. I usually just push them in far enough so that outer one is flush or slightly below the casting face.

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05-25-2001 10:14:41

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 Re: Re: Mr. Haney and the snowball effect in reply to The Red, 05-25-2001 09:28:54  
Good answer, 'cause it reminds me maybe I read something about two. It's two seals on each side, isn't it? Total of four. And maybe I need to talk to the parts counter guy.
After I'm sure. And calm.

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Farmall Paul

05-25-2001 13:59:16

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 Re: Re: Re: Mr. Haney and the snowball effect in reply to William, 05-25-2001 10:14:41  
I used 2 on my PTO, also. Same rule applies- clean up the shaft with a Scotch-brite and set the seals so they don't ride in any grooves on the shaft.

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The Red. YES!

05-25-2001 10:43:24

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 Re: Re: Re: Mr. Haney and the snowball effect in reply to William, 05-25-2001 10:14:41  
Two per side for a total of 4 seals. The old seals were double rubber to begin with. I also place two seals when I change out the old seal in the PTO shaft.

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