Farmall M Loader and Powersteering

I have a Farmall M that I am putting a loader on. While putting the loader on I realize that I need power steering as the tires are difficult to move. I am trying to get a list of all the parts that I will need so I can look at starting to order everything but am striking out online. If someone can help get me a list of all the parts I will need to convert I would be greatly appreciative. Thanks!
 
Oh there are a lot of different pumps i have seen used,usually a belt driven pump off the left side,some are from Automotive application, usually with a small reservoir integral to the unit, but then u have to add another sheave, to the front of the crankshaft,and where u going to get one those , i am not sure! And you need a torque generator, cut the shaft get a key way cut in the remaining shaft, the part that goes into the steering sector.There is a kit from Jackson Mfg, it a complete kit, but very spendy,Jim maybe will chime in and give you a address/Link for the power steering kit.
 
Do you realize that without live hydraulics the loader will only lift with clutch out? You could do PTO pump for loader but would be the same way
 
Loaded a lot of manure without power steering. RULE: Turn steering wheel when front wheels are turning.
 
I have used Loaders tractors with and without Power steering and think it is over rated. Wide fronts don't turn sharp anyway and narrow front turn pretty good when tires are aired up properly and both work best while in motion. Even tractors with power steering are difficult to turn with a heavy load and not rolling? When moving a load you just have to plan a reasonable path of travel?? Cleddy
 
If you can do some light fabrication, or have someone who can help you, a cheaper way would be a steering cylinder off a vehicle like a 151 combine, and incorporate it onto your front axle. You will need also the steering priority valve; the actual control valve is within the cylinder itself. This could feasibly work off the belly pump, but youll have to pull it out of gear and let out the clutch if you need to steer with the tractor stationary for any reason. Less than ideal, but it would work.
 
Farmall M was the most popular loader tractor around here for years. The ones with power steering had a pump driven off the crankshaft. Some added a pulley to the crank and others used a longer fan belt. Even with power steering. You couldn't turn the front wheels when not moving.
 
These guys here at YT sell PS parts.So does Stiener,and others. However,it will probably cost $2000.00. However,try to only steer when moveing.Steering while stationary is really hard becauce you are trying to overcome the friction of the tires on the ground. Live with it,or trade for a tractor with PS. BTW,I have 2 Ms with loaders. Neither has PS,never has. I guess I'm just used to it.
 
The 2000 is what is was what I was trying to figure out but talking to both Steiner and YT they both counts y direct me to the parts needed, a pump/torque generator/hose/etc Ill probably try running it for now
 
Okay, my tractor does have a wide front and it does not turn sharply, and I do struggle to turn the tires when not moving, so I do generally move slowly to try turning the wheels
 
Yeah, I have that issue with the 3pt hitch right now, but I did pick up a PTO pump to run both the loader and the 3pt, I will either get used to it or I will end up getting live hydraulics around run everything
 
I may have to look into this, but from others comments I will probably just try running it as is, I am probably just not used to running with the loader yet and will adjust after running it more
 
I hear what you are saying and just a little power help would be nice!!!! Sometimes all I can do is go back and forth in a straight line and throw all my weight into the steering wheel making a turn enough to get where needed. Life got easier when I got a big Skid-Steer loader and turning was no problem but other problems come up? Like tearing up all the turf you are driving on or the DANGER of hooking up-un hooking a something with the Boom is up. All in all a good old loader tractor is pretty handy. We had a Char-Lynn power steering added to two WD allis-Chalmers and as simple as it was it worked pretty good. It just a simple pump mounted like a car and a torque generator in the steering shaft and used to be affordable. Cleddy
 
Hello lFord guy welcome to YT! That eBay set up has everything you need for a ..self contained.. PS system. Exactly the same as my M has. Pump drives off the crank pulley, round thing at top. Sets behind the pin that the manual crank starter engages to. It is made to just lock
in place as it is turned, kind of ingenious. Also the torque generator has the modified plate on it to mount the TG on the tractor at the gauges mount to. That is what bolts it to the tractor. Now does it work and not leak that is the big question. Not sure how old you are but maybe you forgot or never drove a car with manual steering. Turning those wheel on those when not moving was a task.You learn to steer while Power steering is making people YT Soft. Also those individual brakes are helpful for steering as well.
 
For twice that another tractor with all the live stuff can be bought and solve the problem and have live hydraulics along with live PTO. It would also have power steering on it.
 
You might be ahead to buy a tractor with the features that you want and them sell your old tractor. Farmall 400, 450, 460, 560 and 706 would all be good candidates.
 
Some farmalls have a separate power steering pump or a fancy one would have it running off the main hyd pump by distributer but that gets complicated. I assume your using the belly pump which usually can't lift much. (Can't lift the hat off your head compared to allis chalmers wd) or you could just make sure everything is greased good and go without ps.
 
http://jacksonpowersteering.com/category/products/steering-components/
Call to find out availability for an M. Jim
 
Too easy to put Char-Lynn PS on an M, you probably see 10 M's with PS for every H, the reservoir on the H has to stick up through a large hole cut in the hood ahead of the muffler. The Behlins were such a big bulky thing, had to mount above the gas tank. BEHLIN was IH's choice for factory PS on 350&450, and having cultivated with an SM-TA & 455 cultivator, AND a 450 with 461 cultivator, not much difference between the two, maybe a slight advantage to the Behlin.
Dad put Char-Lynn ps on his M I have out in the shop sometime in the late 1950's, maybe around '57-'58. M was the loader & picker tractor. My '54 Super H also has a loader too, no p/s, and if I get too tired of cranking hard on the steering wheel, I stop use the live 2-way hyd to raise the frt wheels off the ground and head off in my new direction.
 

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