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S-E Michigan Part Timer

05-11-2001 13:20:25




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Well, finally got Dad's '50 M running good. We've gone thru the stuck engine and trans. Runs like new or better now.. BUT.. We hooked her up to the planter the other day, got to the end of the field, and wouldn't pick up the planter. Seems the lift-all just doesn't have it. Assuming it's plumbed ok, shouldn't the oem pressure suffice? Seems I've read on here they originally had 450 psi, and there's a kit to take it up to 750 psi?? Oh, also, it did it twice. The first with the fertilizer boxes full, and again when they were half full. We thought it would have done it. Also, it's just an IH 455 4-row planter.

This was a real kick in the pants after all the carb/dirty fuel tank problems we had.

Can someone pls give me some info on the upgraded kit and perhaps where to buy? I think it would be the perfect father's day/b-day gift for him..

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Ted (MD)

05-14-2001 06:15:55




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
We were moving our IH 800 planter around (Safety locks holding it up)w/ a Farmall M this spring and to my suprise the M would not lift it. I think the tractor did not have enough pressure to open the check valve which was originally on the planter for the row marker setup we have since removed as the planter should not be that heavy with no seed or fertilizer in it. Just a thought.



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Todd Poor

05-14-2001 05:30:40




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
The pump is probably ok the problem may be in thesize of the hydrolic cylinder on the planter. I was always told to get the best lift out of the old pump you need to use a 4" cylinder



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Dan

05-11-2001 18:35:54




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
Another suggeston would be to check lift linkages, sometimes things get rusty or dirty and just don't move as smoothly as they should. surprising how little dirt it takes to bind up and if you're right on the edge of being able to lift it will make a lot of difference. Hae seen that happen even on newer tractors with lots of lift



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john

05-11-2001 16:56:39




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
I DONT WANT TO SAY SOMETHING STUPID BUT HERE GOES. IM NOT SURE ABOUT THE IH PLANTER BUT THE 7000 SERIES JOHN DEERE PLANTERS HAD A TWO STAGE LIFT THAT RAISED THE MARKER ARMS, A LOT OF THE OLD JOHNNY POPPERS WOULD PULL THE PLANTERS O.K. AND EVEN LIFT THEM BUT THEY WOULDNT PUT OUT ENOUGH PRESSURE TO LIFT THE MARKERS. ALSO CHECK YOUR PLANTER REALLY GOOD, WE SPENT ABOUT TWO DAYS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BECAUSE OLD JOHN WOULDNT PICK THE PLANTER UP. I'M SAD TO SAY THE FINAL OUTCOME INVOLVED A CHAIN THAT HAD JUMPED OFF THE PLANTER AND WRAPPED ITSELF AROUND THE SUBFRAME. (FELT ABOUT THREE YEARS OLD THAT DAY) ANYWAY HOPE I WAS SOME HELP.

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Charlie

05-11-2001 15:32:32




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
You also want to make sure you have 30 wt non detergent oil in the pump - hydraulic oil won't do it as soon as it warms up. Concerning up grading the pump, the pumps that were upgraded has a yellow stip painted on them. Of course if the tractor has been repainted it will be gone. I don't know when the upgrade came out but its possible a 50 M came with it.



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Milt

05-11-2001 14:16:44




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
S.E. Michigan -- I take it that you have the origanal belly pump (HYD.) that came out on the 'M'. ALLWAYS fill up that resolve with oil when ALL cylinders are compressed ---- otherwice,
you will end up with a busted resolve, check your oil level - you may need more oil.

Cheers - Milt.



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Haas

05-11-2001 13:32:46




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 Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:20:25  
What size cylinder do you have on the 3 pt??



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S-E Michigan Part Timer

05-11-2001 13:59:33




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 Re: Re: Old M blues..... in reply to Haas, 05-11-2001 13:32:46  
No 3 pt... Just straight draw bar and 8" cylinder on planter..

thx!



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Haas

05-12-2001 06:51:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:59:33  
I assume 8 inch is stroke of cylinder. Diameter is important for lift capacity. If you have like a 2 or 2 1/2 inch diameter cylinder, change to a 4 inch and it should solve your problem.



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JLE

05-11-2001 15:55:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Old M blues..... in reply to S-E Michigan Part Timer, 05-11-2001 13:59:33  
Use 3.5 dia. x 8" cylinder. if you are using a 2.5 dia it will be next to impposible to raise. May even have to go to 4" cylinder. BTDT.



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