Here's that plow I'm talking about....

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Looks to be in good shape. Paint's ok, but that don't turn the soil. The worn shares do. Coulters look worn down, too. Bottoms look to be the GAU
stubble type. FH prongs are pointed down. Guess that's to keep it from tipping over? Tail wheel looks straight. Looks a bit on the flimsy side too.
Currently listed on Tractor Hoose. Not sure it's worth what they are asking. I have purchased there before. The prices they asked back then were a
little better than what they are asking now for things.

What do you guys think?? $850 too much? I'm used to plows being dirt cheap & going for scrap, so I don't quite know what to make of it.

Mike
 
The Fast Hitch arms are folded back, because the spring is broke or isn't hooked up,it's there, i see it ! But it's all there, those are cover boards, to bury the trash, and it's got the depth wheel option, to help maintain the depth. What did u mean when the bottoms look GAU? It you wire brush the part number is stamped into the back of Moleboard,The code for the bottom is on the end of part number, Like X is General Purpose, i forget the others, I got one X and one high speed, they both turn the soil nice at 4.5 MPH. As far as $ 850 is plenty, i would say 5-600 hundred is all they bring on a auction sale, I have bought two!
 
I bet part of the premium price is the fact it IS a Fast Hitch plow. Lots of Fast Hitch equipment has been scraped, only guys with late '50's and early '60's vintage FARMALL tractors can use it.
Dad got an IH 4F-43 fully mounted FH plow with the 450 he bought spring of '65. Once Dad welded up a front weight bracket out of the remains of his old Caswell loader and added about 500# to the frt of the 450 it was a good plow. But about 1967 The plow harrow craze swept over our part of the midwest, and an extra 300-400 pounds on a fully mounted plow wasn't an option, so Dad bought a really nice 4-14 Case trailer plow. Compared to the IH #8 plows we had the Case plow had much more trash clearance, seemed to pull as easy as the IH plows, stopping to clear plugs of corn stalks became a rare thing instead of a constant thing. The Midwest plow harrow sure made the first pass over plowed ground with the disk much smoother.
That plow is the 460/560 and early 06 series plow, look nice hooked to a 656 or 706, since it's complete with cover boards and counters, hit the mold boards with an angle grinder and a cupped twisted wire brush till they shine and head to the field. A steerable tail wheel is the only thing lacking from popular current plows.
 
Absent If you look at Auction time on auction results you will see what those are selling for and when they sold. That will help give you an idea of what is a fair price.
My brother figures at least 10% less than the posted price for things advertised on Tractorhouse.
 
That is a NICE plow, but $850 is definitely too much.

Just look at where it's advertised... Is there ANYTHING that's reasonably priced on that site?

I have paid too much for plows in the past but my general rule these days is no more than $150 per bottom for a plow in PREMIUM condition.

Far as the tailwheel looking flimsy, it's 50+ years old and still there so it can't be that flimsy.
 
IH model 412 plow, their first attempt at a semimount plow. Also made 312 3 bottom and 512 5 bottom. all used the same dinky looking tail wheel, which btw, can really clean out fence posts when you swing around absentmindedly while lining up your next pass. Not that I would have any personal experience in that situation. Mine is mostly used at plow days.
Looks to have Super Chief bottoms (good), which have parts available, vs Plow Chief with the separate points (not so good), which are very expensive to buy. points and coulters still have some life left. Like Fast Farmall said, the FH points are held up by a spring. The plow is also missing a jack stand on the LF corner, which may be why the points are down. Mine tips down easily without the stand.
$850 is about twice what they usually sell for.
 
Well to me but i am Cheap that plow at a auction would be lucky to bring 250 bucks or less as i have bought them as a parts plow . Be ok for a show piece . Now a 540 would be a far better plow as long as you don't want to plow down corn stalks or heavy trash .As they had a way of making you learn new words while you cleaned out a plug . That plow was the norm for guys buying 460's around here and the first 560's it was the 512 that was sold with it . The first Farmall to grace my uncles place was a 560 D in 59 with the 512 plow and the new 13 foot disc in the fall just before harvest and when spring came there was a new 460 D with the 412 behind it . But they were only around a couple years till the big power came on .
 
We're running out of FH plows & other equipment around here, so some of that stuff can bring good prices at an auction. Still don't see $850 in the future of that plow. A 540 would be a nice plow. Don't see that many anymore in my neck of the woods. Shoot, it's getting hard to find a good 720. They're aren't any auctions within a stone's throw of the house, consignment or otherwise. If there is one, seldom do they have what I'm looking for.

Mike
 
My local & long ago IH dealer has fresh shares for that plow, on the shelf right before I get to the parts counter. About $20 each. Didn't think that was too bad. Coulter discs are in the back by the parts bins. Don't recall the price. I think I see the spring hanging there. Hope it's not busted. May not be a cheap fix.

Mike
 
Nope, seldom is there anything reasonably priced on that site. If there is, it's long gone by the time you reach for the phone. Did miss out on a
good deal recently. There was a Gehl CT300 in beautiful shape with the hay & corn heads. Also being sold with it was an FB87 in mint condition with
all the pipe (the flanges on the pipe was still orange!) & the original Gehl spout for the top of the silo, which didn't look like it was up for too
long. Think it was $1200 for the whole shebang. Seen it the day it was listed. Called a couple days later after thinking about it. Was gone the same
day it was listed. Figures!!!!

Only have the one plow & I gave $75 for it almost 30 years ago. Thought that was expensive at the time. Watched the value rise & fall in that time.
Would use it on the 20A that I want to plow, but the hubs are about ready to wear through the axles & it won't pull straight anymore, no matter what
I do. Figured it was time to retire the old Plowmaster & look for something else. Which is a bummer. I have fresh steel on the bottoms & rebuilt the
lift mechanism. Just can't find replacement axles for the early style plow that had the steel wheels & no bearings.

Mike
 
Agreed! The FH equipment is going the way of the dodo & may explain the high price. Still a bit much in my opinion. My grandfather had the three bottom variant of the 4F-43 for his gas 560. Don't recall what model it was. IH had some strange numbers for their equipment in that era. Also had a Caswell loader which I still have for his H. Although it's retired. Thought it might be branded as a New Holland as it has, or rather had the right red & yellow paint on it. I did find out they bought, repainted & sold those loaders for a couple years in the late 40's.

If I do get the plow, the moldboards will definitely get a good polish. Don't need to get too crazy though, the sand & rocks in the field will give it a mirror shine in no time.

Mike
 
GAU was the conventional style stubble bottom. Like HSKA was the high speed, HSCX was the Super Chief, SL slat bottom, K general purpose, etc.

I'm thinking about the same price range as you. Hope he goes for it. Unfortunately, I don't have anything to trade for it. I kind of need all my toys. Lol!

Mike
 
I can not tell you how many 540's thru 560 plows i have bought and hauled home reloaded and hauled off someplace else and sold . at times i was only giving 50-100 bucks per plow . some got turned into 3 bottom steerables if they had a couple bad bottoms and shipped off over to a sale in Pa. It was not uncommon to see six plows stacked up on my trailer along with a couple disc's and what ever else i could load and keep it under 14 feet tall and under 11 wide . Some days at a sale i did not have a big enough truck and trailer for the treasures i gathered up and had to make a second trip or pay someone to bring a load in . some times you wopuld have to fight off scrapper as a lot of plows and smaller disc's fell to the gas ax . Same as old two row corn heads for Massey 300 combines , I had a 300 Massey and i needed a corn head for it . I got mine for 7.50 and watched a buddy sucking them up for 5-7 bucks each and at the time scrap was payen 156 a ton a 222 or 24 corn head weighs in at over 3000 lb . easy way to make money payen 5-7 bucks and selling it for 200 . Don't know where your at so i can not even tell ya who to call . Over here ya could call my old buddy's kid as he is still pedaling iron . From Nov till march was when we were in TILLAGE mood . We always bought out of season . Combines we started looking in dec till first part of May , planters after mid June
 
I'm outside of West Bend, Wis. Not too far away from Gehl & what used to be West Bend Aluminum who made the coffee urns & pots as well as the air poppers for popcorn amongst other things. If you know of anyone in the area, just flag me down. Otherwise, the Indy area is quite a drive for a plow. At least for me.

Mike
 
Well , a road trip over here is a WEEEEEE bit feather as i am in N/E Ohio , BUT i have gone feather for something . last long distance run was from here to Lebelle Mo. for a 1850 OIL ALL OVER that was dead . The War Dept was born in Two Rivers Wis. Now i am not sure on this if Judy Green still has that sale lot up that way or not , They use to have a once a month sale up there and along with the one here in this state . The one down here closed up not long ago . But when looking out of the area and getting it hauled back your way one could look into having it hauled as a LTL load now as to cost i have no idea as someone would need about fifteen feet extra on the deck and able to put about 1500 lbs extra on , then you would need a way to lift it off and on at both ends and someone with knowledge of how to tie it down with out damage . I suppose if i was to go looking i could probably find several around here in a day or so just on craigs list and if memory serves i saw a couple over here in N/E ohio for chump change . And for you it would be a to day round trip . Ya got all good four lane to get into this area , the only BAD part of the trip is around CHICAGO , i personally avoid CHICAGO and will drive two hundred miles out of my way to get around it.
 
Yep, unless I'm going there, always bypass the Second City. I travel down 39 through Rockford off of 43 here in WI. My plow hunting adventure is on hold.... again. Looks like the cylinder head needs to get rebuilt on the chopper, so I might have to push off that plow purchase for a bit. Not happy, but I don't think that plow will go too far at that price. If it does, better someone else pay it than me.

Mike
 

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