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ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes

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Michael Soldan

04-19-2001 18:44:40




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I tackled the H brake job today. The left side came off the instant I rermoved the last bolt. The right side took 2 1\2 hours to get off.The left brake was siezed. The pivot pin was rusted right into the tractor, there was remenants of a brass bushing and a lot of rust between the bushing and the shaft. So after prying hammering and heating I got it off. The linings are in good condition, the problem is oil and grease..now this tractor is a 1944 and I know who owned it for the last 57 years and my guess is that this is most likely the second set of brake linings. There's years of oil and grease in the brake drum and covering. Now I have adjusted I-H brakes before, but just what am I facing by removing the nut that holds the drum in place. I assume the seal will be behind it. Any of you who have done this recently...how much time should I book away from Mamma to get this part of the job done? Also the set screw at the bottom of the housing...is its function to shove up on the brake line to position it? I can't see any other use for it. I do have a manual but it doesn't show seal replacement. If this area was thoroughly degreased do you need to worry about seals? I don't think there is any major leak to begin with. I see there is a tiny hole at the bottom of the housing to drain any leakage anyway.I think it took a lot of years for that oil\grease build up. All of your opinions are welcomed. Mike In Exeter Ontario

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Tom

04-20-2001 10:27:33




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 Re: ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-19-2001 18:44:40  
Mike,

Just a word of caution. Farmer Bob gave you good instructions. However, if you have trouble removing the old oil seals and think the seals are in a bearing retainer, think again. This pinion housing cannot be removed until you remove the bull gear on each side and drop them out of the housing on the inside. I learned, along with several others, the hard way. Pulling this cast housing with the jack screws will hang on the bull gear and break something, if you do not clear the gear inside first. Your best bet is to be careful and successfully remove the old seals without needing to pull the pinion assemblies. These assemblies are shimed to get proper gear loading and this becomes a whole other project to replace. Good luck, just take your time.

Tom

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The Undertaker

04-20-2001 03:54:42




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 Re: ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-19-2001 18:44:40  
Mike:

You know what? I'm fast approaching the eighty mark and every time I tackle a project on my ole H, it becomes a brand new experience, since I forget what I done the last time. Ordinarily after I get the first bolt or nut loose, then suddenly my memory starts getting refreshed. They aren't too complicated, to be sure, but good luck.

The Undertaker



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Farmer Bob

04-19-2001 20:54:07




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 Re: ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-19-2001 18:44:40  
Mike, There should be a large metal washer and then a leather washer under the nut on the center of the drum. Once you get those off encourage the drum to come off the splined shaft of the bullpinion. This should allow you enough room to start surgery on the old seals. Most likely you will find the old style double leather/spring seals in there. Others recommend drilling a few holes in the face of the old seals to get a prybar/screwdriver in there to start ripping away the old seal. I have had good luck with a seal puller and using the outer housing as a fulcrum to wrench the old seal out. They can be stubborn so be patient. Be careful using things like chisels and such that are hard as that is a cast housing and you can nick it real easy. Tell mamma you would like lunch in the shop as it may take awhile to accomplish the job.

I recommend installing two new seals on each side as they are about half as thick as the old ones. You can position them so they will rub on different places on the inner drum housing than the original seal rode. This should eliminate the need for speedy sleeves which are quite spendy for that large a diameter/depth. After you get the old seals out check those large bearings behind the seal for slop/wear/missing balls. If you have to replace them they run about $45-50 ea from Case/IH dealer. Bearing supply houses may be cheaper.Good luck.//FB

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Michael Soldan

04-20-2001 04:40:53




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 Re: Re: ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes in reply to Farmer Bob, 04-19-2001 20:54:07  
Thanks Farmer Bob ( and The Undertaker for encouragement),you have supplied me with some excellent advive,technical and helpful. I think I'll head down to the I-H dealer and get some seals and bushings ordered. I may as well go for it since everything is apart anyway. This old H is mechanically a-one and the only problem it had was weak brakes...so here I am!! Thanks fellas..... MIKE



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The Undertaker

04-20-2001 06:19:41




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 Re: Re: Re: ONE H OF A TIME with H Brakes in reply to Michael Soldan, 04-20-2001 04:40:53  
Mike:

I was too busy socializing to relate what my manual says about the adjustment. If it is the band type, as mine is, the set screw at bottom screws in all the way, then back off one quarter to one half turn. The pedal free travel is achieved by the brake rod and clevis and needs to be adjusted by screwing in or out the clevis until there is one inch and a half distance between the brake pedal and the top of deck at front edge. If you want to go all the way, the book recommends locking both pedals together, jacking up the rear and running in third or fourth speed to determine if both clevis rods are adjusted to same effect. Personally, I'd be too lazy to go THAT far. Be safe in either case. I'm not sure, but is Farmer Bob referring to disc type brakes? If so, I'm not familiar with them!

The Undertaker

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