Hose replacement

vezult · Apr 7, 2020

So I have an IH684 w/ a Case 2250 loader. I just recently broke a hose, and really, all the hoses need replaced.

So, I looked them all up on Messicks, but apparently they can't actually source them.

The only place so far that I've been able to find hose assemblies w/female JIC swivel connectors, they are really expensive, and 4000PSI hoses. Other places, hoses are all NPT, 3500PSI, and the only fittings that I can find to adapt NPTM to JIC Female swivel are rated at 3000PSI.

Anyone know what pressure my hydraulic system runs at? How would I find that out? It seems silly to have fittings rated lower than my hoses, but if system pressure is 3000PSI or less, I guess it shouldn't matter, right?

caterpillar guy · Apr 8, 2020

2600 will cover the pressure on it. More than likely they just make them up as needed to length when you go in. I have gottena lot of fittings from a few places. One of the cheaper ones is Surplus Center. They will have what you need for hoses and fittings if you want to order them. I usually just have hoses made for me at different places depending on the size and length.

fastfarmall · Apr 8, 2020

The only suggestion i have once you start replacing hose's buy them from the same place, a different retailer might sell a different brand, and chances are they will take a different wrench size, i dont like that!

Brendon-KS · Apr 8, 2020

It is typical that you can't order "regular" hydraulic hoses from the manufacturer's parts department since most any ag dealership can make you what you need on-the-spot. By industry
standard tractor hydraulic systems are 3000 psi or under so what you'd be wanting is SAE 100R17 hose which is very common - it's what you'll find at farm stores and places like Surplus
Center that Caterpillar Guy mentioned. (A very good place to order from, by the way.) The burst pressure for hoses is four times the working pressure so there's a lot of built-in safety
factor.

vezult · Apr 8, 2020

(quoted from post at 07:27:08 04/08/20) It is typical that you can't order "regular" hydraulic hoses from the manufacturer's parts department since most any ag dealership can make you what you need on-the-spot. By industry
standard tractor hydraulic systems are 3000 psi or under so what you'd be wanting is SAE 100R17 hose which is very common - it's what you'll find at farm stores and places like Surplus
Center that Caterpillar Guy mentioned. (A very good place to order from, by the way.) The burst pressure for hoses is four times the working pressure so there's a lot of built-in safety
factor.

Ah, good to know. Surplus Center was the only place I could find the fittings I mentioned.

BarnyardEngineering · Apr 8, 2020

It's not going to be cheap. Hydraulic hoses aren't cheap unfortunately.

Best way to go is to take the hoses all to your local ag equipment dealership, doesn't have to be a CaseIH, even a Deere dealer can make you hoses.

If you're anywhere near any size city, there will be a shop that does nothing but hydraulics. They make hoses for breakfast.

Either way it's not going to be cheap.

If you know the size of the hose, the types of fittings on the ends, and the length, you can order custom made hoses online. I have done business with discounthydraulichoseDOTcom many times in the past.

Just keep in mind, and I can't emphasize this enough, it won't be cheap. You are not going to get out of this for $20.

BarnyardEngineering · Apr 8, 2020

Just for reference I replaced all the SHORT hoses on my Westendorf TA26 loader to the tune of $300. That was two 15", five 20", and one 30" hose. Fittings were the most expensive part; mine were 1/2" "flareless compresion" to the tune of ~$9 a pop.

vezult · Apr 8, 2020

Thanks. I'll be ordering from there!

Ken Hansen · Apr 8, 2020

If you're anywhere near any size city, there will be a shop that does nothing but hydraulics. They make hoses for breakfast.

Either way it's not going to be cheap.

If we had some idea of where you are located I'm sure someone could suggest a local shop to try. But yes high pressure hose is not cheap! I could suggest a couple places near Syracuse New York. And at least one of them has free coffee while you wait!

JimB2 · Apr 8, 2020

Hi, IH684 hydraulic relief valve pressure is 2500 PSI.
My brother gets the hoses made at a local hydraulic shop for his CIH 2250 loader.
Anywhere the hose rubs on the frame take an old auto heater hose and split it and slip it over the hydraulic hose an fasten with cable ties.

vezult · Apr 8, 2020

(quoted from post at 09:14:38 04/08/20) Hi, IH684 hydraulic relief valve pressure is 2500 PSI.
My brother gets the hoses made at a local hydraulic shop for his CIH 2250 loader.
Anywhere the hose rubs on the frame take an old auto heater hose and split it and slip it over the hydraulic hose an fasten with cable ties.

Yeah, excellent idea. Will do that. I'm also going to be pretty careful about securing hoses in general. The way my hose broke, as best I can tell, was that an overly long hose swung out, and got caught by a tractor lug, and *that* ripped the hose right out of a fitting. It appeared to me that the elbow that tore out was mismatched with the fitting... :-/

Anyway, I should have known better about the unsecured hose, I'm glad I found out about the bad fitting, and I'm now sufficiently motivated to replace these hoses that are probably dangerously old. So, other than having to lay out the money, it's a good thing on the whole

MSM · Apr 8, 2020

Try Surplus Center. They have premade
hoses as well as pretty much any
fitting you need

David G · Apr 8, 2020

There is a great shop, custom hose, in Cedar Rapids Iowa that can make anything.

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