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old

10-16-2019 08:46:09




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So after talk here and to a couple of other people I did mange to get the guy to ok not pulling the injectors. After talking to him yesterday the own did not know one could not just remove the injector line and have ATF go in the cylinder. He did not know the injector pump shot diesel into the cylinder under a high pressure so as to open the injector. So I'll be taking the intake hose off so I can pour ATF down it as I turn the engine over by hand. I'll just have to be careful not to pour to much in till I have turned it over a good bit. Wish I knew how to figure out when the intake was open on each cylinder with out taking the valve cover off. Seem parts could be a bit hard to find for this thing. I tried to find a thermostat for it yesterday and so far the parts place has come up with nothing

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The tractor vet

10-17-2019 10:05:41




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
Ya just won't listen will ya you and your ATF . You will Hyd lock that engine and son your in for a heap of trouble



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David G

10-19-2019 19:43:42




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:05:41  
Any leftover ATF that does not hydrolock will lead to run away.

I do not know why Old is stuck on these bad beliefs.



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rustred

10-17-2019 17:57:46




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:05:41  
but... its the magical potion that does everything , now he has believers, now to change the story. lol.



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old

10-17-2019 14:55:46




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:05:41  
Its not me it is the owner who keeps wanting to pour some sort of lube in. But today I was able to by way of the fan turn the crank shaft pulley a full 360 which is half of a full cylinder to have all 6 cylinder fire so figure not likely to have stuck valves or other such problems



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The tractor vet

10-17-2019 10:20:32




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:05:41  
Ya know i told you that there is no extra clearance in that engine and once you hyd lock it there is noway to undo what you did but go where you don't want to go and that is pulling the head . You still have not told any of us what engine is in it as depending on year it could be anything from a early DT361 to a dt 466 . AND CONTRARY to your beliefs if those rings are indeed STUCK you ATF will not free them up and the only way to unstick them is to BREAK them out of the groves with a Hammer and punch , but any normal person would not wait there time and just pull the snap rings and remove the rods and file 13 the old pistons and after reconditioning the rods install the NEW PISTONS and rings and place them in the NEW sleeves . But you do as you see fit as i am not going to be the one that gives this guy a free engine rebuild because of something stupid i did..

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old

10-17-2019 14:58:31




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:20:32  
From the numbers and the book the guy has it looks to be a 407 engine. First 3 numbers of the serial number is 407 but do not remember the rest of the numbers. And again it is not me wanting to do the ATF it is the guy who owns it but I think I have it threw his head that we do not need or want to do the ATF



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The tractor vet

10-17-2019 21:59:53




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-17-2019 14:58:31  
Then that would make it after 67 and before 72 .



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old

10-18-2019 08:15:52




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 21:59:53  
So your say is is a 67 to 72 inclusive of those years??



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The tractor vet

10-17-2019 10:26:51




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:20:32  
Oh yea and one more LITTLE TID BIT , you dump your kickapoo joy juice down the intake and she does fire off she will RUN ON ATF and you will not have any way to control the engine and she can run away on you till she either sucks all the free fuel out of the intake or hangs a rod out the side.



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Mark Robke

10-18-2019 09:46:49




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to The tractor vet, 10-17-2019 10:26:51  
What Vet says about running away on oil is very true. I don't remember the reason any more , but I had poured a very tiny amount of oil into a diesel intake, and it reved up instantly-very scary- with no way to shut down or slow down the engine! Mark.



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David G

10-17-2019 06:24:23




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
I think you are making a big mistake and can lead to hydro lock.



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leroy in ne

10-16-2019 19:05:27




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
I'd be more concerned about stuck valves and suggest removing valve cover, shooting some atf, (or a penetrating lubricant like Seafoam Deep Creep or your favorite) on valve stem and tapping on top of rocker arm to move valve and make sure it returns to previous position.



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Jim.ME

10-16-2019 14:32:18




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
I'm with the no ATF (or anything else poured into the intake) group. If you found evidence of mice/rats in the exhaust pipe and turbo. pull those and clean them. Anything going into the turbo could destroy it. You should be able to spin the turbo wheel freely. If you think they got through the turbo you need to pull the exhaust manifold and check it. Totally separate passages, but are there any signs they were in the intake side as well? If mice/rats got into the exhaust I would worry more about stuck valves than rings. Pulling the valve cover to watch them move while you turn it by hand might be wise. And after that you could spin it on the starter, with the fuel off, to see that it gets oil up there; before you try starting it.

As has been posted, if the piston heads are cupped you may just end up filling them with ATF; which could cause damage when it turns over, even if it doesn't run on it.

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old

10-16-2019 14:42:18




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to Jim.ME, 10-16-2019 14:32:18  
We plan to try to vacuum out the exhaust to try to remove any thing that maybe in the turbo and manifold. We have talked about pulling the valve cover to see if things move and or maybe pouring a bit of ATF down the exhaust after vacuuming it out. Not sure form there what will be done but the first spinning it over will be by hand



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caterpillar guy

10-16-2019 12:38:09




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
The thermostat is not an issue for starting. If you are worried about it not coming up to temperature just throw a rug over part of the rad for that right now. I'm with Barnyard about the running away on the oil. Like he said that is how diesels run away is the oil going in the intake. I think you are chasing a problem that doesn't exist. We have engines that set periodically for long time frames and just start them up. I just started my 806 from setting for about 2 years and started like it was shut down yesterday.

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old

10-16-2019 12:53:18




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to caterpillar guy, 10-16-2019 12:38:09  
This one has sat so long that when I took the exhaust pipe off to look down into the turbo area the pipe off the turbo was full of what look like some one has taken a cotton blanket and shredded it up and pack it full so good chance there has been rats on that area which mean that could have cause things to rust up. As for the ATF not going to put much in plus it will then sit a few days before spinning ti over and even then will spin it over but not throttle it up so it should not start unless it starts on the ATF and if that happens it will not run long

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BarnyardEngineering

10-16-2019 11:32:17




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to old, 10-16-2019 08:46:09  
Respectfully, why the fixation on getting ATF into the cylinders of this engine?

If you're going to spin the engine over BEFORE you add the ATF, you're defeating the purpose.
I'd also question if the ATF will even get sucked into the intake. If you get it atomized enough that it will get sucked in, the engine will probably start and run on it.

That's how diesels with bad turbos run away. The turbo sprays engine oil into the intake and the engine happily runs on it, until the engine runs out of oil, and KA-BANG! You just hope you can plug up the intake before it happens.

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old

10-16-2019 12:31:39




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 Re: Up date on TD15B in reply to BarnyardEngineering, 10-16-2019 11:32:17  
This thing has sat for years as in 10 or so. The ATF in the cylinders if to help free up any sticking rings if it has any. Put the ATF into the intake and then let ti sit a day or 2 before seeing if it will run.

It has sat long enough the part of the thermostat that opens when up to temp has rusted away.



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