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Odd shut down problem with the IH584

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old

02-26-2019 21:23:09




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So the other day I was using the 584 to load hay bales. I did 10 bales then went to do 2 more and all at once it just idled down then shut down. It would start back up but die. Tried to bleed the fuel filters and go no fuel. Checked tank and it was about half full. So figured filters where clogged to went to town got new filters plus 10 gal of diesel. Changed filters and this is the 2nd time since I have the is I changed them. Went to bleed filters and still no fuel. So I took a pumper oil can and filled it with diesel and fill the bleeders with fuel. Tried to start it and while it did not start easy it did start. Not sure what the heck happened but at least it did start and has run well since

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Mark Robke

02-27-2019 16:20:22




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
Jimb2 has it. That tractor draws from the right and returns to the left. If it happens again,pull the fuel sender out, on top right, and look down and see if right and left sides are equal level. If not, your crossover line is stopped up. If they're equal, then what jimb2 said is the temporary solution. Mark



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pete 23

02-27-2019 11:21:26




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
Here are a couple of things to think about on those tractors. From memory here, the fuel gauge is on one end of the fuel tank and filler is on the other. When there is sufficient fuel in tank the center section of the tank keeps the fuel level in both side. When fuel gets low, the equalizer line at the bottom of the tank keeps the fuel level. If that line is plugged or even shut off, you can run out of fuel on one side and still have fuel in the gauge side. I'm thinking , from memory, the fuel is drawn from the side opposite the gauge, not sure though

Another thing, due to the placement of the tank, you will need a lot of fuel to get gravity to flow if you have the filter mounted up high on the engine. The injection pump does a good job of drawing the fuel once it is fully primed but difficult once it has run dry.

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old

02-27-2019 12:34:35




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to pete 23, 02-27-2019 11:21:26  
This tractor has no gauges due to it being in fire. But yes what your saying makes sense and I figure the fuel level got low enough that gravity was no pushing enough fuel forward. But even then after filling the tank it took me using a pumper oil can to fill both bleeder holes up so I could get it to start and run



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warren woodrow

02-27-2019 09:14:53




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
[quote="CVPost-old"](reply to post at 22:23:09 02/26/19) [/quote

Caterpillar guy may have a good theory but mine does it on level ground. It definitely has something to do with not drawing fuel fast enough from the drivers side of the saddle tank in the case of my tractor .]



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warren woodrow

02-27-2019 09:12:48




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
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I have a 584 with the same problem. Has done it for years . I have tried everything mentioned here . No luck .When it gets half full it " runs out of diesel " and draws air . I have bled lines many times. Only fix is to keep fuel level above 1/4 on my gauge . This system is mostly gravity feed other than pull of injector pump . I suspect the saddle tank design, level of fuel in relation to injector pump, age of pump, etc . all contribute to the problem .If you find the problem please update us as your problem may actually be related to suggestions previous posters have made . Good luck .

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old

02-27-2019 12:37:49




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to warren woodrow, 02-27-2019 09:12:48  
Not sure what or why but could well be that the one side was lower on fuel then the other was due to a clogged line but as I say not sure. Would maybe help if one added an electric fuel pump to the system but again that might not help either. I do know I'll make sure I keep the tank fuller form now on



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BarnyardEngineering

02-27-2019 05:46:41




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
Something is or was impeding flow from the tank to the filters. Could be as simple as a leaf or some other "fooshee" in the tank.
Is there a lift pump on this tractor to pull fuel from the tank to the filters? Since the tank is located in the fenders, it doesn't have a lot of gravity behind it and I'd expect there to be a lift pump.



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jimb2

02-27-2019 04:30:02




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
Hi Old, there are a couple different fuel filter arrangements on those tractors but if your 584 has the primary fuel filter at front right of engine, my test is with a clean bucket under the fuel filter, remove the input line from the fuel tank and if the fuel doesn't flow the full of the pipe then there is a problem at the outlet of the tank. Blowing back in this fuel line with compressed air will temporarily fix the problem but only fix is to remove the outlets from both sides of the tank and clean them and get the junk out of the bottom of the tank.

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caterpillar guy

02-27-2019 03:03:33




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 Re: Odd shut down problem with the IH584 in reply to old, 02-26-2019 21:23:09  
Sounds like you are having gelling issues. Sometimes water will collect in the bottom where those tanks draw from on each side then freeze so fuel can't flow. Could also be at half full it can't get through that cross over line from the other side of the tank. I would think it would have to be less than the half full for the cross over line to be the problem unless you were on and angle to the left.

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