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Disc Brakes on an H?

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David Kronwall

11-09-2018 00:28:38




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Iím restoring my grandpaís 1944 H. The restorer and I discovered that it has disc-type brakes. Everything Iíve read says that Hís have band brakes, not disc. Does anyone have any experience with this?




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rustyfarmall

11-10-2018 05:31:29




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
I believe that the Ausco-Lambert disc brakes were used on some Chrysler vehicles. Maybe even before they were offered for tractors. Apparently those brakes did not work out so well on cars either.



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BarnyardEngineering

11-09-2018 12:51:49




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
Word of caution: Do NOT attempt to pry out the bull pinion carrier to change the seal. You WILL be sorry, as you will break the bull pinion carrier, requiring you to pull the axle, and drop the bull gear out of the way to get the carrier out to replace it. While it can be done without removing the top cover (deck), it is much easier to manipulate the bull gear with the top cover removed.



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rustyfarmall

11-09-2018 10:01:14




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
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Pretty straight forward really. You will need the drums, the brake bands, and the brake covers from another H and then it is just a matter of removing ALL of the disc brake stuff and then installing the original type parts. This would also be a good time to install new pinion oil seals.



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rustyfarmall

11-09-2018 04:47:01




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
My 1950 H had disc brakes when I bought it. The brakes were the Ausco-Lambert aftermarket brakes. They are not the same as the disc brakes on a Super H. NO parts interchangeable, and NO parts available. I recommend changing that H back to the band brakes. Those work SO much better. I changed my 1950 H back to the band brakes.



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D Slater

11-09-2018 03:37:21




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
Add on attachment for H that came with band brakes. Even though the serial numbers go from 501 to the serial number for standard disc brakes on a H, early H models using a keyed bull pinion shaft needed changed to the spline type to use the brakes. Notice 3 bolts mounting the brake cover housing verses 5 for the late H.



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D Slater

11-09-2018 03:59:54




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to D Slater, 11-09-2018 03:37:21  
Picture didn't go.



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D Slater

11-09-2018 05:52:39




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to D Slater, 11-09-2018 03:59:54  
Attempt parts book picture again.



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David Kronwall

11-09-2018 13:50:32




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to D Slater, 11-09-2018 05:52:39  
Thanks, DS. I must have the same parts manual. I found the same page youíre showing. If weíre looking at an IH publication, and itís showing this for an H, doesnít that point away from aftermarket and toward IH?



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D Slater

11-09-2018 17:52:12




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 13:50:32  
Don't know the complete story but a fellow with last name Lambert had a patent on the brake design. Ohio company ASCO, Auto specialty Company produced the brake parts. IH started using the design in 1950 on orchard tractors if I remember correct. Sometime after that IH started selling them as attachments for H and M tractors. Not sure if a aftermarket company also sold them for IH tractors. Can't recall if they were advertised by one.

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D Slater

11-09-2018 22:45:57




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to D Slater, 11-09-2018 17:52:12  
Left out a letter in the parts company logo AUSCO in the last post. They were one parts supplier for IH and others at one time. Some wide fronts contained parts from them as one example. May still be around but think the original Co. went out in the eighties.



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DTK

11-09-2018 08:19:49




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to D Slater, 11-09-2018 05:52:39  
Sorry to break in on this post , but I was wondering what is involved in changing Lambert brakes back to band type? I have a 47 H w / Lambert brakes. Thanks DTK.



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fbh44

11-09-2018 01:52:22




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
I discovered my 1950 H had a 1951 transmission case. I bought it from an old IHC mechanic, and my belief is he put it together from two tractors. You can check by finding the casting codes. The 1944 code will look something like ##-##-N, where the N represents 1944. If the transmission case code looks like ##-##-U or maybe ##-##-W, it would be 1951. T would represent 1950.



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David Kronwall

11-09-2018 08:41:50




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to fbh44, 11-09-2018 01:52:22  
Checked the casting code on the right side of the chassis and the number ends with the suffix ďN.Ē So Iím pretty confident the tractor is a 1944.



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Red Dave

11-09-2018 09:11:36




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 08:41:50  
David, The information I have read says that the last 300 or so H's had disc brakes installed from the factory. If yours is a 1944, I would have to presume that they are aftermarket.


Haven't seen you post for a long time, welcome back!



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David Kronwall

11-09-2018 16:12:40




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to Red Dave, 11-09-2018 09:11:36  
Dave, great to talk to you again. Iím still here, just been busy lately. Now have 8 tractors: SM, M, 4 Hís, SC, and an Allis WD-45. Only the Allis has been fully restored. The brake cover on Grandpaís H has a part number cast into it. That fact, plus the inclusion of the parts in an H parts manual tells me itís IH, not aftermarket. What do you think? Are you on Facebook? If so, we should be friends. Let me know your thoughts. David

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Red Dave

11-12-2018 06:29:05




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 16:12:40  
David, sorry I don't have a Facebook account.

As for your H, over the past 75 years any number of things might have been done. Aftermarket parts, parts from a later model H may have been installed, or maybe IH sold them as a kit for retrofitting.

Did you know that the Cinderblock moved? There is a link to it on the old site. I check in there and the Cowboard from time to time.



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NY 986

11-09-2018 00:57:00




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 Re: Disc Brakes on an H? in reply to David Kronwall, 11-09-2018 00:28:38  
The last couple thousand of H's built had disc brakes so maybe somebody machined your tractor to accept the factory disc brake assemblies. The other more likely explanation is that some kind of aftermarket kit was put on. A third explanation might be your tractor does not have the original transmission case but instead a very late H transmission case and therefore disc brakes but this would be fairly improbable due to low production numbers.

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