424 transmission oil capacity

424 without front mounted pump or draft control - 5 gallons
424 with front mounted pump and draft control -17 gallons

Any idea why the huge difference ? This does not include lift housing as it is separate and holds 3 gallons. Just cannot understand why so much more
for draft control because all the mechanisms involved in draft control are located in the lift housing and use separate reservoir within the lift
housing . Of course mine requires 17 gallons of the hydraulic oil in the tranny and 3 more in lift housing.
 
NOT sure what you've got going on. I own a 424 and have a factory manual, but it's a half-hour away from where I'm at tonight.

Seems STRANGE the info you have is "with or without draft control".

If the info stated "with or without 3-point hitch" it would make more sense, as (AFAIK) ALL tractors in that series that had a 3-point WERE equipped with drat control.

I don't think you could have one without the other?
 
ok -going to type it straight from my manual in case i made a mistake.

note-capacity is 5 gallons without front mounted hydraulic pump or draft control; 14 gallons with front mounted hydraulic pump - without draft control; or 17 gallons with front mounted hydraulic pump and draft control .

This comes straight from the 424 Tractors Manual I ordered from Case IH . I have always found this wording to be confusing .
 
I had trouble figuring this out also. I have a 2424 - manual says the same thing about front mounted pump. I could not figure out if that referred to my pump that runs off the engine, or a pump that runs off the front flywheel to power a loader. I finally decided the later, so I only refilled with 5 gallons. But I would love to know the answer!

Been a few years yet, and nothing has failed that I know of. Maybe not the best measurement of good.....

Tim
 
(quoted from post at 09:38:23 10/24/18) I had trouble figuring this out also. I have a 2424 - manual says the same thing about front mounted pump. I could not figure out if that referred to my pump that runs off the engine, or a pump that runs off the front flywheel to power a loader. I finally decided the later, so I only refilled with 5 gallons. But I would love to know the answer!

Been a few years yet, and nothing has failed that I know of. Maybe not the best measurement of good.....

Well now that is interesting.. I think I will research as to if there were any of these that came WITHOUT a front mounted pump and that may be a hint .By front mounted I mean the one on the right side of the tractor by the governor . I still cannot understand why draft control is even in the description since I believe they all had the draft control . What I do know is that when I pour over about 5 gallons in it the fluid runs out the axles so obviously I am misinterpreting something. I also note that the check for tractors with 17 gallon capacity is 6 inches below the filler plug on top of transmission case right beside the gear shifter while those with the 5 gallon capacity is checked using the level plug which is located much lower on the side of the transmission housing . I also have a much larger 584 I H which has a loader and full hydraulics and uses transmission fluid and hydraulic from a shared reservoir which only holds 9 gallons therefore I surmised that the 17 gallon capacity on my smaller 424 could not be correct especially considering it holds 3 more in its separate hydraulic reservoir .
 
(quoted from post at 09:38:23 10/24/18) I had trouble figuring this out also. I have a 2424 - manual says the same thing about front mounted pump. I could not figure out if that referred to my pump that runs off the engine, or a pump that runs off the front flywheel to power a loader. I finally decided the later, so I only refilled with 5 gallons. But I would love to know the answer!

Been a few years yet, and nothing has failed that I know of. Maybe not the best measurement of good.....

Tim
Not to belabor this but I did research if optional front mounted pump was available and it is . Part number 383513r92 . You may have helped me with a portion of this mystery but I still cannot understand the draft control issue . Anyway , Im going to drain it, pour 5 gallons in and let it roll like it probably did for the 35 or so years before I owned it . Thanks for your help . BTW - I did find this to be a topic of interest on other discussion boards so I/ we are not the only ones confused .
 

I have to add one more comment. Still do not understand 17 gallons even with the optional pump UNLESS it had one heck of a an optional reservoir as 17 gallons with pump only would have filled the tranny case up above the level of the axles. I am stumped .
 
I also got fluid coming out the brake housing, I think, when I tried to fill the reservoir beyond 5 gals. I have the same owner's manual as you. If it makes you feel any better, my IT Shop Manual says 20 quarts for every version of 2424/424, as well as B414 and B275, 254, 354, etc.

I have not noticed any issues with the transmission, and its probably been 10 years now. But I only put 20 hrs a year or so on it.

tim
 
It does make me feel better. I too have done the fluid out the break housing thing . Thanks for your help and I plan to drain and refill with 5 gallons this weekend. Now if I can get all the lift housing leaks fixed ...............
 
Hi, I never worked on a 424 or 2424 as they were built in UK as crate models then were shipped to USA in crates and assembled in
the USA. These models had many different parts than the UK models like electrical was Delco and front axle and PS were different.
But I believe that the ones that had the aux front hydraulic pump had a suction pipe that connected the hydraulic reservoir under the seat into the transmission/diff and the trans/diff became the hydraulic reservoir hence the 17 gallons of Hytran requirement.

JimB
 
Thanks. I appreciate all the info I can get on this old tractor. I was just before pulling the lift and replacing axle seals before I decided I should research this oil capacity further. Thankful that I did .
 
Hi Warren since I live in Canada we only saw the UK built and assembled tractors of this series and most were Diesel models. I think I have seen one 434 Gas model in Canada. These UK models were very popular loader tractor for the small to medium size dairy farmers from the late 1950s thru to about 1982 when the models were discontinued.
On our farm we had an early 1962 B-414D, later a 434 and last a 384 from 1982 thru 1994 when Dad and my brother started doing larger round bales and the 384 could lift then with the 1550 loader but unless there was an implement on the 3pt there wasn't enough traction to go anywhere when the ground was muddy.

Originally these tractors only had 30wt non-detergent oil as hydraulic fluid but on the newer model 444 and 384 it was replaced by IH Hytran. The trans and diff had 90wt gear oil even in the 384 that we had. One of the major difference in UK vs USA assembled models was the electrical system was Lucas vs Delco and the Power steering, UK models had two hydraulic pumps connected together on right front of engine, one was for PS and the other was for 3pt using a common reservoir under the seat.
The PS itself consisted of a cylinder with a hydraulic valve on left side of tractor that the steering arm from steering wheel connected to the valve lever.
The USA crate ones had the PS with one hydraulic pump with a splitter valve on right side of tractor and PS was like the USA build IH tractors with steering wheel connected to a Danfoss steering valve/pump under the dash and only hydraulic lines to the steering cylinder on the front axle.

As I said I never worked on an Industrial model but using the trans/diff and a suction pipe into the reservoir under the seat was mentioned sometime ago on the site by a retired IH mechanic.

Hope this helps
JimB
 

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