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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 09:39:00




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I am thinking about putting the electric ignition conversion kit on my H how many has done this also what are the good and bad associated with this conversion




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NawlensGator

08-15-2018 22:21:22




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  

I installed Electronic Ignition on all three of my old IH's (2 - 140's and a Cub) over 10 years ago. I have not had to tamper with anyone of them since. Much better reliability than the old points/condenser rig-a-ma-roll. What a marvelous upgrade this has been. Now, if I could only install electric fuel injection I would be a happier camper.



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David G

08-16-2018 15:13:11




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to NawlensGator, 08-15-2018 22:21:22  
Hey, I know how to do that.



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NawlensGator

08-16-2018 18:56:02




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to David G, 08-16-2018 15:13:11  

Please tell me how I could get it done. Thanks!



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 20:11:31




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  

Here is a video of me driving couple weeks back



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David G

08-14-2018 20:05:54




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
I read your further posts, if going to use regularly, I would install EI.



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 20:08:56




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to David G, 08-14-2018 20:05:54  
It gets drove almost daily and if not drive I at least start it and let it run but when it's nice I drive it on the gravel roads around home just to get outta the house soon as I find some equipment itll be put to work as well as play



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47fivewindow

08-14-2018 20:05:10




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
I have never changed one from points, but I have a couple electronic conversions here. Never a problem except if the 12 volt supply gets below 10vdc or so the 6 volt starters still spin the engine over fine, but the module has quit making spark. With jumper cables they will start right up. I still burnish my points with fine sandpaper as long as possible due to the poor quality of replacements. Don't buy them online, go to NAPA and ask for their best.

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300guy

08-14-2018 20:01:31




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
Forgot to say my Pertronix has been in my tractor 8 years now and has been great to start and run that tractor. No missing or anything like before after many hours of running the points had to be adjusted. One of the best investment for that tractor.



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 20:06:26




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to 300guy, 08-14-2018 20:01:31  
Appreciate everyone's input I been helpin put a transmission in a frieghtliner so I just got around to reading the replys



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old

08-14-2018 21:36:03




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 20:06:26  
Freightliner as in big rig 18 wheeler?? If so that is not a fun job. BTDT on an old Binder, if you do not know what them means ask. So was it a 13 speed or some other type like an Allison?? I have 4 10 wheel trucks on the place. 3 gas rigs with twin sticks and a 1963 Diamond-T which when it was built was the Caddy of trucks



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 05:51:13




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 21:36:03  
And it had a Eaton fuller transmission in it not sure how many gears probably 10 if I was guessin



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FastFarmall

08-15-2018 10:40:52




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 05:51:13  
Those truck transmission are a piece of cake, if you got the jack to handle them, they got 3 axis to control them!!



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 11:14:02




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to FastFarmall, 08-15-2018 10:40:52  
Yea just more time consuming than anything and that truck was nasty underneath



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old

08-15-2018 08:40:15




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 05:51:13  
That could be a 10 speed or a 13 speed or even a 15 speed. I have something like 1.9 million miles under my belt and still counting but not all that fast any more. Back in 1974 I got a brand new Dodge van and had the watery expire in less then 30 days. I had put 13,000 mile on it



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 08:44:57




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 08:40:15  
I see....I weld at a exhaust factory full time my best friends own a diesel repair shop and I help them when I have spare time or when they need a Extra set of hands



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old

08-15-2018 09:02:28




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 08:44:57  
I'm also a person who got bored working so I have had more type of jobs then I can even remember. That Dodge van I had in 1974 had that many miles put on it due to me having two paper routes. Morning route was 1500 newspapers and afternoon route was 600. I got that van on my 18th birthday but ordered it when I was 17. I also spent 6 years In the Navy from July or 1974 till July or 1980. I was an Electronics' Tec. I worked on computers. But I have also been a welder a truck driver a maintenance man in a factory. Plus a lot of other jobs

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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 09:46:22




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 09:02:28  
I'm always busy doin something seems like and now I bought this H and I been fixin oil leaks on it before I paint it



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old

08-15-2018 11:30:13




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 09:46:22  
I just got back for a run to town to get a front tractor tire for the Farmall. Saw one of my customers in a store and asked him how his tractor was doing and he said running just fine. I then told him I guess I fixed it to good. Got a laugh out of him and the teller that was standing there



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 11:55:32




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 11:30:13  
I gotta order some front tires for mine here soon



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old

08-15-2018 11:59:56




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 11:55:32  
At least the tires on the front of an H are a more common tire size. The one I got is a 4.00X15 and the place I buy tires took 2 days to find me one and get this it was made In the U.S.A. which is uncommon also



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 12:02:32




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 11:59:56  
I live in Missouri found some out of dyersburg Tennessee for 44 a piece but not us made unfortunately



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old

08-15-2018 12:46:38




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 12:02:32  
You live In Missouri what part?? I too live in Missouri the Lake of the Ozarks area. I have 4 Hs on the place as well as a good many other tractors



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 12:48:10




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 12:46:38  
I live in malden Missouri down in the bootheel



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old

08-15-2018 13:16:51




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 12:48:10  
Ok so not all that far from cape G and or Memphis TN. Someplace not all that far from I55. I live down in Cape G back when I was a whole lot younger as in under 4 years old



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 13:26:58




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 13:16:51  
I'm around 65 miles from cape and 100 miles or so from memphis



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old

08-15-2018 13:44:51




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 13:26:58  
So then I bet your what maybe 250 or so mile from the Lake of the Ozarks then??



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 13:53:43




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 13:44:51  
Yea roughly bout 3 hours



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old

08-15-2018 14:05:47




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 13:53:43  
3 hours would put you more like 150 miles since 60MPH is a mile a minute.



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 14:20:51




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 14:05:47  
180 miles according to the map



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old

08-15-2018 17:10:15




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 14:20:51  
Well that goes with the 60 MPH rule then.



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 17:11:32




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 17:10:15  
Never been there...you ever been to the tractor salvage yard in fredricktown mo



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old

08-15-2018 17:16:38




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 17:11:32  
I've heard of it but never been there.



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 17:25:51




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 17:16:38  
I been there once nothin but ih tractors



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old

08-15-2018 17:56:09




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 17:25:51  
Years ago there was a big salvage yard up in Stove MO and the guy had just about any thing you could ever want. But he died and his kids just sold it all. By the way I am not color blind I own most any and all brands and at 30 plus have to many LOL Be they red, green orange or what ever other color you can think of



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 18:01:06




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 17:56:09  
I have a 52 a john deere that's needs restored



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old

08-15-2018 18:12:05




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 18:01:06  
I have a 1935 JD-B on steel. I can tell you where it has been since 1940 and played on it when I was a kid. I also have the original owners manual that came with it when new. It was my grand fathers and he got it in 1940. When my dad passed away I got it and my grand kids have played on it. Last summer one of my customers called me and ask if I want his tractor and I told him I didn't have the $$ to buy it and he said no do you want it. Then he goes on and tells me it got hit by lightning and caught fire. He said come and get it, it is yours. It is an IH584 diesel and we winched it on the trailer but I drove it off less the n2 hours later.

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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 18:18:32




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 18:12:05  
I've started bodywork on my H i cant wait to paint it



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old

08-15-2018 19:27:52




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 18:18:32  
I have 4 Hs. All are 1940 and one is a parts tractor and the other drove to where they are parked



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 19:30:20




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 19:27:52  
Mine is a 1947



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old

08-15-2018 19:34:08




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-15-2018 19:30:20  
That is the same year as my A/C W Speed Patrol



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 19:40:05




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-15-2018 19:34:08  
I have a buddy with a 39 h



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Olcountry4188

08-15-2018 05:49:44




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 21:36:03  
Yea it was a freightliner big rig and it wasn't too bad just nasty cause it had oil slung from one end to the other...we pulled the transmission Saturday and got it all out back together last night



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old weldor

08-14-2018 19:57:26




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
I have a Farmall 300, with pertronics. It was that way when I bought it. I have owned it about six years and it hasnít given me a bit of trouble. I use it to move snow in the winter and Iím amazed how fast it starts even on the coldest days. I have a friend that had a ford tractor with pertronics and he left the ingnition switch on when it wasnít running. That ruins it really quick.



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300guy

08-14-2018 19:56:53




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
I have one on my IH 300 and LOVE it. Before every time I went to start it, I had to clean the points. It is 2 hours away so I get up to the farm to use the 300 1 to 2 times a month. Every time clean the points and then hope it starts. This tractor sat from Nov. 15 to March 18 and never ran. When I hit the starter in March, it went over 1 1/2 times and was running!!! I helped a friend put one on his Ford 900 and the same thing. Before it might start and it might not without cleaning points. He even put new ones in and they were worse. So now it starts the same as my 300. Only negative thing is do not leave the key on without the engine running. Pertronix rep told me that would kill the module very quickly. I have sold wires for plug wires and they work fine. Rep never told me anything about that. I thought I read or heard some place you should use the solid core wires because the radio resistance wires have too much resistance to fire the plugs correctly. Not sure, just what sticks in my mind. I would not use points again for anything. Only if something happened to the module, I would put in the points and drive it in the shed that way. Then replace the module!!

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Mark (EC,IN)

08-14-2018 19:21:28




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
I have converted a Farmall "M"; 560; MF35; and a couple Chevy 366 engines to EI and have been very happy with them all.

I've had no problems with any of them.



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Rex Simpkins

08-14-2018 19:14:46




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
The only problem I have had with pertronix is when I left the original solid wire core wires on it and burn a module out, call pertronix and they sent me a new one no questions asked except "do you still have solid core wires on it?" when I told the gentleman that I did, he told me when those old wires get cracks in them and they "leak". His words not mine but I switched to new style wires and never had any more problems. I have a 240 utility with pertronix probably been in there 20+ years and use it a lot and never had the cap off.

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hayfarmer

08-14-2018 16:35:55




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
my experience with the electronic ignition has been the opposite of Old's. I have had really good luck with them and once installed they just keep working. Replacing points and condensor was around $20, and I read on here about lots of bad condensors when new. On one tractor I had trouble keeping the points adjusted prior to pussing on the ei. It is up to you, and depends upon how much you use the tractor. I don't think the EI is any better than good, properly adjusted points but for me has been less maintenance.

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old

08-14-2018 17:25:43




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to hayfarmer, 08-14-2018 16:35:55  
Non of my tractor have electronic ignitions and I almost never have any problems with them. Some I have not touched the point etc. in over 10 years now and they start when I want them to and do there jobs. But I have had to remove the electronic ignitions on other peoples tractor because they stopped working and at over $100 to replace them they said go back to pints at $10. I also have not changed a condenser in over 10 years on any thing

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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 17:14:41




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to hayfarmer, 08-14-2018 16:35:55  
I drive it daily and will use it for bushogging and parades once painted



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David G

08-14-2018 13:03:27




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
Once running, just time it by ear.



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old

08-14-2018 09:57:46




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 09:39:00  
These old tractor have run for decades with the old point systems and will keep running running well with points. I have messed wit h few tractor that had the electronic conversion done to them and each time I have done that I had to put points back in because the smoke had been let out of the conversion



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 10:15:50




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 09:57:46  
My problem is if you gotta replace points and xoncondenser its cheap but if that electronic module goes out that 100 bucks



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old

08-14-2018 10:25:49




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 10:15:50  
That is what I am saying and I have seen a lot of those electronic part smoke so to me it is a waste of time and $$



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 10:31:24




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 10:25:49  
I appreciate it I just wanted a second opinion because I have no problem putting in points



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 10:56:04




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 10:31:24  
Also how do you time these tractors it has a distributor when it idles it pops and snaps sounds like popcorn popping at higher rpms I have changed cap and rotor gonna do points and condenser next could what I'm hearing be a timing issue?



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old

08-14-2018 11:07:39




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 10:56:04  
Could be timing or it could also be valve that need to be reset or sticking. As for timing I do all mine by ear and go for highest RPM and easy start. If you time it to far advanced it will sort of be hard to turn over and kick back on the starter



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 11:42:36




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 11:07:39  
I have never timed one...far as starting it starts usually before I can get my hand off the starter button it just has that popping....I'm 27 years old and have never owned a ih tractor I grew up on a 52 A model deere but I bought this H and I'm proud of it just want to get er right that way when I paint it this fall itll not only look good but run right as well



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old

08-14-2018 11:56:21




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 11:42:36  
Do you have a manual like the I-T IH-8?? It has an area that covers how to time it using a timing light which you can buy form any auto parts store. By the way I have children older then you are LOL



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 11:58:12




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to old, 08-14-2018 11:56:21  
I have a manual I'm not sure which one and I do have a timing light and I'm fairly decent with a wrench



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 12:13:43




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 11:58:12  
Its supposed to be a reprint of the original manual I'll check it out when I get home



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Olcountry4188

08-14-2018 12:56:33




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 12:13:43  
I have a repair and parts manual as well as a servicemans manual



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old

08-14-2018 12:31:24




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 12:13:43  
If it is an owners manual it may not have that info. If it is a shop manual it should have that info



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08-14-2018 12:09:07




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 Re: Electronic ignition conversion in reply to Olcountry4188, 08-14-2018 11:58:12  
Look in the table of context and you should be able to find a section on timing which should explain how you time it if the manual is any good



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