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Tie rods, SMTA

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hayfarmer

02-14-2017 08:47:24




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A year ago I put an IH wide front on my SMTA. It was previously on a 560 salvage tractor. Outer tie rod ends are loose so I ordered some new ones but wondering if anyone has a "sure fire" way to remove the old ones? They are pushed clear in as far as they will go to make things worse. I removed the inside end and filled the space beyond the end with PB blaster and now have it chucked up in my press, going to try some heat with pressure. Do you guys more experienced with these think I will ever make it move or should I give up and but new tie rods? I can't seem to find just the tubes.

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Jeep!_r

02-17-2017 22:48:01




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2017 08:47:24  
Not sure I understand, but it looks to me that you are asking about removing the tie rod from the taper mount it goes into. Take a hammer and hit around the mount and it will pop loose-with the castle nut off of course. On occasion a little more aggressive blows are used. I actually use a snap on air hammer with a blunt tip on it-worth their weight in gold for this. I used to make a living as a light/medium diesel mechanic, and have never found one that this did not work on. Hopefully I understood you correctly.

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kfnut

02-17-2017 17:32:02




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2017 08:47:24  
USEDRED I understand what you are saying ( I think ) but I didn't say he beat the s--- out of it . He was using a moderate tapping that was at a constant rhythm and I know from experience that it works .If you don't want to try it sometime , that's alright by me . Others may find it beneficial at times .



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kfnut

02-15-2017 05:07:27




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2017 08:47:24  
Just a thought . Years ago I was helping someone get a tie rod off a Ford tractor and not having any luck . A old mechanic stopped by to just talk and saw what was going on . He took a light hammer and started tapping the part the tie rod was in in a methodical beat and kept talking to us . Before we knew it the tie rod end was on the ground . He explained that the methodical beat ( rhythm ) loosened the part and that is why an Army breaks marching cadence when crossing a bridge so it won't collapse .Sounds crazy but I have used this technic many times on lots of situations .

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Used red mn

02-16-2017 04:09:33




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to kfnut, 02-15-2017 05:07:27  
Well no offense kfnut but in my opinion I'm calling BS on the "rhythm" deal when it comes to using a hammer in this case. It has more to do with Newton's law. "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". When you smack the surface of the part that action travels through the part until it finds the interface between itself an the stuck part. That action then has to pass through the connection between the two whether it be rust or press fit etc. It is that reaction between the two parts that helps free the lodged part. Another and most likely more beneficial aspect is that with each hammer blow the metal is being deformed and in most cases stretches. So as this is taking place the piece that it is surrounding(in loose terms) is let free. So in my opinion it is the number of times he hit the part with the hammer, and not the fact that he tapped out "Yankee Doodle". Now on the bridge deal yes that is legit, but far different then the problem before the OP. Sorry for the long reply.

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David G

02-14-2017 13:49:02




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2017 08:47:24  
I find it easier to loosen on the tractor.



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The tractor vet

02-14-2017 09:10:23




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to hayfarmer, 02-14-2017 08:47:24  
Well not sure if it is a sure fire way , but it works for me . I remove them from the tractor and use my GOOD goffer , panther , weasel pee and take a tap all around the tube with a beating device and keep adding liquid either she moves or she don't then take a pipe wrench and twist one way then the other and they come apart . I free up both ends because you are going to have to reset toe in . and it makes this job much easier when BOTH ends are loose. What i use for a penetrate fluid i do not think anybody on here uses , (1) it is NOT cheap (2) it is hard to find if your just looking for ONE can . BUT IT WORKS and works far better then anything i have ever seen or tried . BUT there have been some that will require the added assistants of a ROSE BUD , some ya just have to get them warmed up fast to about 200-250 degrees and some ya have to put the glow to them .

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Phil Tibbetts

02-15-2017 06:41:54




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to The tractor vet, 02-14-2017 09:10:23  
So now I am curious, what is the name of the penetrating fluid you use?



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Used red mn

02-16-2017 03:31:03




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 Re: Tie rods, SMTA in reply to Phil Tibbetts, 02-15-2017 06:41:54  
Are you kidding? You can't just go and give out the name of some "magic juice" like that. The liability is just far to great. What if some unknowing individual sprayed it on some extremely seized part that weighs a couple hundred pounds? If that part then just fell out and smashed the poor guys foot who will pay for that? Sorry for my sarcasm, working nights this week and l get a little bent up sometimes. Trying to wind down right now to get some day sleep in.

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