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Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt?

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mr.precision

03-23-2016 07:25:04




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The starter on my super C is completely worn out and not rebuildable. Part of the bendix drive is broken in two.

I've shopped for an original piece on the internet, as the new ones for $100 are made in China and I'd prefer to avoid that route.

So my question is: can I replace with a 12 volt unit? Everything on the tractor is 12 volt, and I'd like to ease the way the bendix slams into the ring gear. Never did like the way the starter hits the flywheel. Any suggestions? Seems like a later 12 volt unit, or a later bendix would be a solution.

Thanks in advance.

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mr.precision

03-24-2016 07:53:56




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
Obviously I have taken it apart. I rebuilt the one on my Minnie Moline ZTN, but this one has more problems than I want to tackle. I don't need to take it to a shop.

I'd be interested to get more feedback from those that bought made in China or made in India starters. Seems like there's a few that have had good luck with them.



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BarnyardEngineering

03-24-2016 05:06:58




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
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I have a Cub starter in pieces in a box that says otherwise. About the only usable piece on it is the end cap.

The previous owner wore the brushes down so much that the screws were the only thing making contact with the commutator. The commutator has a massive gouge in it from the hard steel screws. The windings in both the armature and field are fried. The bendix spring is in two pieces. The nose is cracked.

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David G

03-23-2016 17:32:43




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
My H really slammed the starter in on 12V, the newer style Bendix really sounds better, brushes are easy to replace.



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khouse6

03-23-2016 17:02:19




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
glad to know that someone else is avoiding china products.



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mr.precision

03-23-2016 17:01:32




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
Thanks for all the replies.

My starter is rebuildable, but has several broken parts, a worn out bendix drive, and worn out brushes.

I had read somewhere that "newer style" bendix starter drive units did not slam into the flywheel like the old ones. What I can tell you is that I have 8 vintage tractors fitted with 6 volt starters and 12 volt batteries. None of them engage like this Super C did. Maybe it was the condition of the starter. The sleeve that fits under the bolts holding the bendix on the shaft was broken in two.
So I'll stick with a 6 volt unit, and either find a good used one or take a chance on the new China-made stuff. So much of the replacement parts from China today is junk. I've already had 2 failures on new water pumps, in less than 1 year, both made in China. And both bought from this website.

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gab

03-23-2016 20:31:33




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 17:01:32  
If it slams the ring gear that hard I wouldn't think the armature or fields could be too bad, brushes and a bushing or 2 can't cost much and chances are a new Chinamart starter would come with the old style drive any way. Have you taken it apart or to a shop or just guessing it's junk.



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Phil Tibbetts

03-23-2016 15:57:41




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
I've bought several China starters for different tractors and never had a problem.



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gene bender

03-23-2016 13:59:48




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
No such thing worn out beyond rebuilding there are parts available. You can find used 6v ones but they just mite need parts also sounds like some shop is passing the buck and just doesent want to fix it. You can get rebuilds for around 175 with old one for a core Try Harvey Bros they have been around since starters and do excellent work you will think you have a new one.



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FastFarmall

03-23-2016 11:04:27




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
The IHC 240 maybe came with 12 volt starter, but the 6 volt is fine, it will start so quick, the Alternator, the brackets, are more important.



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BarnyardEngineering

03-23-2016 08:21:31




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
I'm not sure you can even get a 12V starter. Certainly it won't be any less expensive than the $100 China aftermarket units.

Nothing wrong with using a 6V starter, as long as you don't run it for extended periods of time.

Also I would encourage you to reconsider a China starter. For one thing you never know what you're going to get with a used original, especially sight unseen. It may not be any better than what you already have, and you bought it as-is. At least with a China starter you have some recourse if it's no good, but it will usually work just fine when you get it.

You actually want the starter to vigorously "snap" the drive gear into the ring gear. Easing it in just makes the gears grind on each other more and accelerates wear.

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old

03-23-2016 08:03:48




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 Re: Need a starter for my Super C - can replace with 12 volt? in reply to mr.precision, 03-23-2016 07:25:04  
Well if it has 12 volts for every thing yes you can go wit ha 12 volt starter if you can find one but you can never go back to using a 6 vol battery if you do



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