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O-12 or I-12 value?

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J-Pipes

03-03-2016 19:07:33

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Hello, guy I work with has this tractor in the back of his family's old auto shop, they say they have had it for about 50 yrs or so, been basically sitting in that back corner for at least 30. I've been looking at it trying to figure out what it is since it's missing the serial plate. He told me to figure out what it is to come up with a price.

It has the small front tires, crank operated shutters for radiator, foot clutch, single foot brake, pto, standard draw bar, no provision for swinging. The engine is loose, I think the brakes are stuck, tires are all shot, seat isnt original, amd I think the hood is just random piece of sheet metal.

Rough measurements match up with these models, except for not have an accurate height measurement due to flat tires. They also said it was "fast". Any insight on a possible value, or more accurate model identification would be greatly appreciate. Thanks, Jake.

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John M

03-04-2016 06:26:19

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

X3 on the I-12. It looks like the hood is original to me.

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Old-F20

03-04-2016 05:29:52

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

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Old-F20

03-04-2016 05:27:19

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

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I concur with Dwayne, its an I-12 due to lack of gov on the engine

I bought a running one with full factory electrics about 2 years ago for 3200

ill try and post some pics on here

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rusticredacres

03-04-2016 05:16:14

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

Guys I think this is a I-12 because it does not have a stock engine mounted governor. I have two I-12 tractors the same way. All O-12 and W-12 tractors had the stock governor or engine mounted governor on side of block. My two cents worth.

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J-Pipes

03-04-2016 07:28:07

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to rusticredacres, 03-04-2016 05:16:14

Cool, I'll try to post a pic to go with this question, but in regards to the foot throttle, which isn't there, but there is a rod the the hand throttle linkage attaches to that runs across to the right side of the tractor. When we spotted this, my first thought was foot pedal hookup, but I've never seen one to know for sure.

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RBoots

03-03-2016 21:17:10

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

I'd say W12 as well. Interesting little tractors. That one looks to be in very nice original shape.

Ross

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J-Pipes

03-04-2016 04:28:30

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to RBoots, 03-03-2016 21:17:10

The only thing the really makes me think against a W12 is they said it was fast, and the W12 is listed with only a 3.6mph top speed, but the O12 and I12 are both listed at 10-3/8mph.

No matter what it actually is, I still think it's neat as can be, and would love to have it to tinker with. The "useful" thing I can think of for it would be to rig up a front mounted push blade for pushing snow.

Thanks for the responses so far, the more the merrier!

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FarmallCT

03-03-2016 19:23:31

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

There really isn't much that can be figured out with the information that you have given us, as both tractors are almost identical. It could also be a W-12, as all three tractors were the same tractors, the O-12 and I-12 were just slightly modified versions of the W-12. It sounds like it could be a I-12 to me but it was common for farmers to remove the orchard sheet metal if it was not being used for that kind of work, so if it is a O-12, it would be hard to tell, impossible without any pictures.

I am not sure how familiar you are with older tractors like this, but it could also be a 14 version, which is also only slightly different, which could make a potential list of up to 6 different tractors that it could be.

Hopefully someone with a little more knowledge on specifically the O-12 and I-12 will reply, but pictures are a must because of how similar the tractors are.

~FarmallCT

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J-Pipes

03-03-2016 19:38:54

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to FarmallCT, 03-03-2016 19:23:31

From what I've looked up so far, I do believe that since it lacks a breather on the side of the engine, but instead has what I'd call a "blow by" tube that runs from the upper right corner of the front of the head diagonally across to the lower left, that it would make it a 12 and not a 14.

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FarmallCT

03-03-2016 19:42:12

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:38:54

You are correct, the 14's had the breather and the 12's the "blow by" tube.

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J-Pipes

03-03-2016 19:15:36

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:07:33

Trying to post pics.

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FarmallCT

03-03-2016 19:36:50

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:15:36

After seeing the pictures, I would have to say it most likely looks like a W-12. The only thing that would make me think otherwise, is if you find a more or less hidden area, and scratch some paint off to see if there is yellow paint underneath which might suggest it is an industrial, or if on the fenders it appears that there are spots that additional sheet metal was bolted on this may suggest it is a O-12. If you can find neither of these, then it is most likely just a W-12. The straight pipe also suggests that as at least for the orchards, the exhaust pipe was bent down to the ground to not hit any trees. Then again, this could have been changed over time.

I would start by looking for those two signs, yellow paint or bolt holes for additional sheet metal. If none of these are found I would say its a W-12 and worth maybe $1000 or so since it was loose. A I-12 sold by me for less than that but it had been sitting outside and had a stuck clutch and some other things wrong.

~FarmallCT

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J-Pipes

03-03-2016 19:40:57

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to FarmallCT, 03-03-2016 19:36:50

Ok, I appreciate your response, it's definitely a start!

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FarmallCT

03-03-2016 19:43:08

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 19:40:57

Welcome! Let us know what you find and if you need any more help/advice!

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J-Pipes

03-03-2016 20:07:20

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to FarmallCT, 03-03-2016 19:43:08

More pics

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steelfronts

03-04-2016 09:02:17

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 20:07:20

the pictures look like it has provision for elec start . Value is always hard. If you are going to try to make money better stop at 1000. If you want it for your collection I could see paying twice that pretty easily

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steelfronts

03-04-2016 08:58:21

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-03-2016 20:07:20

thats an I 12 for sure with the Handy governor. Look for indications of a foot throttle(gas pedal).The I 12's had some dash board too for gauges and light switch if equipped and only one brake mechanism The brakes were huge on the inside of the wheel .not individual wheel brakes .Modifications could have easily been done to use it on the farm but the handy gov is only on I12

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J-Pipes

03-04-2016 10:54:12

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to steelfronts, 03-04-2016 08:58:21

Thanks, your description is pretty spot on! Only veriation is I don't think there is any sort of electrical provisions, only an oil pressure gauge on the right of the forward fuel tank support, and a temp gauge on the left.

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R dahs

03-04-2016 14:38:03

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to J-Pipes, 03-04-2016 10:54:12

Nobody has mentioned the rear rims being solid with inboard brakes on the I -12

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J-Pipes

03-04-2016 19:54:19

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Re: O-12 or I-12 value? in reply to R dahs, 03-04-2016 14:38:03

It does have the solid wheels, with the large brakes inside of them.

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