FORD backhoe bucket?

daman · Mar 18, 2010

Question....

going to look at a 12" trenching bucket for my 4500 with the 755 hoe now the 755 hoe uses 1 1/2" bucket pins and this bucket must be off a FORD 555 newer tractor as it has 1 3/4" pins from what i under stand i would need to install different bushings in the new bucket to take up the 1/4" slack is that correct or????

what would i need to do here to get this to fit??,it's a ford bucket i can tell by the looks it's the same width too in between brackets mounts 8".

any help would be appreciated.

JF in MI · Mar 18, 2010

I did the exact same thing with my 4500 and 755 hoe. I got a 12" bucket off an much earlier Ford (I think). I had to slice off the ears and reweld them to the correct width. I also had to weld sleeves into the bushings to take up the pin difference. Worked great.

Jim

daman · Mar 18, 2010

You mean later as in newer with yours?

because this bucket here is the same just the pins are different i shouldn't need to cut anything.

most ford buckets in the range from 1965 up where about the same 8" wide with 1 1/2" or 1 3/4" pins i do believe.

daman · Mar 19, 2010

(quoted from post at 16:31:49 03/18/10) Question....

going to look at a 12" trenching bucket for my 4500 with the 755 hoe now the 755 hoe uses 1 1/2" bucket pins and this bucket must be off a FORD 555 newer tractor as it has 1 3/4" pins from what i under stand i would need to install different bushings in the new bucket to take up the 1/4" slack is that correct or????

what would i need to do here to get this to fit??,it's a ford bucket i can tell by the looks it's the same width too in between brackets mounts 8".

any help would be appreciated.

wow... surly some one knows this here? anybody??

scot in pa · Mar 20, 2010

You sure the bushings are in the bucket? It seems 1 3/4 inch sounds big for the 555 A and B. But I do remember that the 555A and B took the same bucket and there were four bushings on both pins. Two in the boom, two in the linkage, and one in each hole on the bucket.

daman · Mar 20, 2010

Thanks for your post scot, i do believe there in the bucket yes thats where they are in mine.

the pin is one size, fits in the boom end and the bucket linkage ends then there's bush's in the bucket 4 total two each side.

are you saying pins are same and bush's changed in the boom ends or?

scot in pa · Mar 21, 2010

Each pin has four bushings on it. one on either side of the bucket and two inside the boom. It seems to me both pins are the same size. It's been 10 years since I swapped a Ford bucket and 3 since we sold ours so I am going on an old memory here. I'm not sure the size of the pins but I do remember that every hole the bucket pins passed through had a bushing in it.

JML755 · Mar 22, 2010

daman,
I am in the process of adapting a make-unknown 12" bucket for my Ford 755 TLB. The pins on my TLB are all 1 3/4" dia. One of the the pins on the bucket (dipstick) needed to be a 1.5" dia and the other pin (cylinder actuation) was a 1.75" dia (same as miy 755) so I just sleeved the dipstick with a piece of round tube (1.75" OD, 1.625 ID). I also had to install a missing bushing on the bucket for the 1.75" pin. NH wanted about $50 for one. I got one from a bearing distributior for $8.

I think Scot is right on. All you need is 4 bushings for the bucket. Measure each hole size as the existing bushings may be worn.

I'd been looking for a 12" Ford bucket for a few years. Was hoping not to have to rework too much on a used one. A new one to fit was over $600. Got this one for around $100 and it took another $10 in parts and will take a few hours of labor for the ear modifications. My efforts will be more like JF in CT's. Your adaptation will be a piece of cake. Just curious, how much did you have to pay for it?

daman · Mar 22, 2010

I really don't want to do any modifying to make a bucket fit thats why I'm looking for a original ford bucket so it just fits on and works,plug and play, can't i just change the bushings in the bucket to acomidate the 1 1/2" pins? how could i make my own larger bushings? would ford sell a larger bushing for my problem here?

but i may have to by the looks of things,they want $200 for it.

JML755 · Mar 22, 2010

(quoted from post at 10:36:11 03/22/10) I really don't want to do any modifying to make a bucket fit thats why I'm looking for a original ford bucket so it just fits on and works,plug and play, can't i just change the bushings in the bucket to acomidate the 1 1/2" pins? how could i make my own larger bushings? would ford sell a larger bushing for my problem here?

but i may have to by the looks of things,they want $200 for it.

Yeah, I think that's what I was saying: that your original idea to just insert new bushings in the bucket and use the same 1.5" pins would work fine. The issue is going to be sizing the OD of the bushings. Ideally you just want a press fit so you can just bang them in. It would probably help to put the bushings in the freezer overnite, but I didn't need to do that. If they're undersized, you'll have to do what JF did and weld in the bushings. As for making your own, depends upon what type of material and equipment you have access to. $8 for a bushing from a distributor is hard to beat in time and labor.

And I agree with you that plug-and-play is the best way to go.

daman · Mar 22, 2010

(quoted from post at 16:33:29 03/22/10)

(quoted from post at 10:36:11 03/22/10) I really don't want to do any modifying to make a bucket fit thats why I'm looking for a original ford bucket so it just fits on and works,plug and play, can't i just change the bushings in the bucket to acomidate the 1 1/2" pins? how could i make my own larger bushings? would ford sell a larger bushing for my problem here?

but i may have to by the looks of things,they want $200 for it.

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Yeah, I think that's what I was saying: that your original idea to just insert new bushings in the bucket and use the same 1.5" pins would work fine. The issue is going to be sizing the OD of the bushings. Ideally you just want a press fit so you can just bang them in. It would probably help to put the bushings in the freezer overnite, but I didn't need to do that. If they're undersized, you'll have to do what JF did and weld in the bushings. As for making your own, depends upon what type of material and equipment you have access to. $8 for a bushing from a distributor is hard to beat in time and labor.

And I agree with you that plug-and-play is the best way to go.

what dist. did you get your bush from? what do i need to tell them the ID and OD sizes i need?

JML755 · Mar 22, 2010

"What dist. did you get your bush from? what do i need to tell them the ID and OD sizes i need?"

I got mine from Bearing Headquarters. They're a Midwest regional company. Check out their website.

Well,the nominal pin size of the bucket is 1.75", so the current bushing in the bucket is certainly a larger ID. By how much? You need to measure the current bucket bushing "hole" with a set of calipers to account for clearances and wear. I'd get the new bushings with OD to be .001" LARGER than the measured diameter of the existing bucket bushing. Make sure you take several measurements at different spots. I'd use the smallest MEASURED diameter of the current bushing opening plus .001 as your new bushing OD. Chances are that wear and rust will mean you're not working with a perfect clean hole. The ID should be large enough to accommodate the 1.5" pin, probably 1.560 so. Again, I'd MEASURE the diameters of your 1.5" pins and size accordingly. ID of the new bushing isn't as critical as the OD which needs to press in. This isn't a measurement you can do with a tape measure.

daman · Mar 22, 2010

Ok i'll check them out,yea i'll get a few measurements with my calipers and make a call or see if i can find a machine shop around here that could make 4 up.

since i have 1.5" pins and a newer bucket has 1.75" bush(hole) i'll need a thicker bush to replace,so yea i think i can handle this quest,lol.

how hard is it to knock out these bucket bushings? or you gota cut them out? im sure there pressed in pretty good.

daman · Mar 22, 2010

Well i did some checking on New Holland web sites parts,it looks like the newer buckets on the 555 series TLB use a 1.77 ID x 2.40 OD bushing,now i also see they make a Bucket Retrofit kit with a 1.50" ID x 2.40" OD bushing but it showed $62 ea i think,crazy i know i can find a place that could make them for cheaper.

so yea this is doable....

if i have some bushing made up should they be harden??

JML755 · Mar 22, 2010

(quoted from post at 13:41:00 03/22/10) Ok i'll check them out,yea i'll get a few measurements with my calipers and make a call or see if i can find a machine shop around here that could make 4 up.

since i have 1.5" pins and a newer bucket has 1.75" bush(hole) i'll need a thicker bush to replace,so yea i think i can handle this quest,lol.

how hard is it to knock out these bucket bushings? or you gota cut them out? im sure there pressed in pretty good.

I don't see you knocking the old ones out. I figured you'd just leave them in and bush down to 1.5". If you want to "replace", then you'll be cutting them out. Actually, that will give you the cleanest hole to start with, as long as you're careful with the cut job and don't go all the way through the old bushing.

daman · Mar 22, 2010

Well i did some checking on New Holland web sites parts,it looks like the newer buckets on the 555 series TLB use a 1.77 ID x 2.40 OD bushing,now i also see they make a Bucket Retrofit kit with a 1.50" ID x 2.40" OD bushing but it showed $62 ea i think,crazy i know i can find a place that could make them for cheaper.

yea i would be knocking them out that way you got a nice round hole to work with, if i have some bushing made up should they be harden??

JML755 · Mar 22, 2010

daman,
You definitely want the bushings harder than the pins. If you're having them made, discuss your options with the machine shop, depending on the material they have, etc.

daman · Mar 22, 2010

(quoted from post at 20:11:04 03/22/10) daman,
You definitely want the bushings harder than the pins. If you're having them made, discuss your options with the machine shop, depending on the material they have, etc.

Yup sounds good,i gota plan now.....

also i want say thanks JML and others for taking the time and posting trying to help out,appreciate it guy's

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