Should i jump on this deal or walk away?

I've come across a package deal and dont know if i should go for it or walk away. I would appreciate some opinions and suggestions if you have any.

So for $6,800 i would get;

1953 International TD-18A crawler/dozer with a solid good running engine but has a stuck or seized steering clutch on one side

1982 Ford CL9000 single axle Tractor w/ a Cummins 350 Big Cam and a 9 speed Eaton gear box. 414,000 miles and runs great.

Old lowboy double axle trailer. Unknown manufacture or year

What do you all think?

Im estimating there's about a grand in parts to rebuild the steering clutch on the dozer so was thinking of offering $5500.
 
(quoted from post at 14:11:48 05/23/20) I've come across a package deal and dont know if i should go for it or walk away. I would appreciate some opinions and suggestions if you have any.

So for $6,800 i would get;

1953 International TD-18A crawler/dozer with a solid good running engine but has a stuck or seized steering clutch on one side

1982 Ford CL9000 single axle Tractor w/ a Cummins 350 Big Cam and a 9 speed Eaton gear box. 414,000 miles and runs great.

Old lowboy double axle trailer. Unknown manufacture or year

What do you all think?

Im estimating there's about a grand in parts to rebuild the steering clutch on the dozer so was thinking of offering $5500.

I think the steering clutch could run you twice your estimate or more.

The truck runs great but will it take a commercial inspection sticker? Likewise will the trailer? Do you have a CDL to operate it if needed? For that vintage gear, the market will be limited if you are thinking of flipping these units.

I'd pass unless I had a real pressing need for it, even at a lower price.
 
My "take" on this (and I'm NOT being disrespectful) is that if you have enough knowledge and experience with this equipment to even consider it's purchase you wouldn't be asking for advice here.

YOU need to have enough knowledge of what your getting into, the capabilities of the old machinery vs. your expectations and requirements, parts availability and $$$ and your repair "skillset" and availability of tools and equipment to facilitate HEAVY repairs.

Crawlers of ANY make ain't cheap to repair!
 

Thanks for responding.
No i dont plan on flipping anything. And when i say runs great i mean it is fully functional. Everything works, tires are good and no reason it would not pass inspection if i needed it too. Same with trailer. I have quite a bit of dirt work to do on my property and for what i would be charged by someone else to do it it would pay for it self and i get a tractor trailer out of the deal.

I guess what i am asking is what is the value. I would not be buying to make money or take on work.
 

Steering clutch fiber fiction disks for a TD-18 $25 a piece X 16=$400, steel disk $22 a piece X 15 =$330 thats $770 and a couple hundred for shipping.

I have yet to find something i could fix or figure out besides people.

I have tools, equipment and common sense.

I didn't ask if you thought i was capable of this equipment. The question was , is it a good deal. I know the value of alot of stuff. Stuff im interested in. A 1953 dozer is not really my thing. Thats why i came here because someone here probably does know what its worth. Apparently that's not you two. You are those guys on every forum that just have to say something even though it has nothing to do with the topic. And really dont know much about anything so most of their post are directed towards the person and not the topic. No disrespect though right.

So if anyone knows what a TD-18A or a Ford coe 9000 is worth i would like to know. Cause that is who my original question was intended for.
 
Sorry if my answer offended you, that was not my intent. You did not ask anyone to give you a value of the pieces in your original post as I read it. You said "I would appreciate some opinions and suggestions if you have any." You asked "What do you all think?". I believe I answered that question when I said "I'd pass unless I had a real pressing need for it, even at a lower price." As for directing my comments at your capabilities or not to the topic I think the only thing I asked was if you had a CDL. That seems to me to be a realistic question to ask someone looking at buying a tractor trailer. As for asking about commercial (Fed DOT) inspections on the tractor and trailer that tells some of condition. If they are currently licensed, inspected and on the road, to me that would indicate a better condition of the equipment.

Good you have priced some steering clutch parts for the dozer, but there may be bearings and other parts needed you didn't account for, which if needed, would run your price up some. Maybe I would replace things you won't, so my thoughts on cost are higher than yours. Maybe you won't need a thing and it will be less than your estimate, I hope it is if you buy it. Just a difference in the way we see a project and estimate based on our past experiences.

I have seen an old tandem axle, load over the rear low bed trailer sell for $500.00 in the past 6 months. That would be the best comparison I would have to value it, based on the information you provided.

1982 Ford single axle COE tractor, $1500.00 to $2000.00, based on prices I've seen lately for such.

So $2500.00 from his original $6800 leaves $4300.00 for the crawler.

Not bad if the steering clutch is the only problem with it, as you say. If you have a need for the equipment and you feel comfortable with the deal you need to decide if you want to go for it. Sounds like you have a need for the equipment. Do you think it is worth the price? You are the one looking at buying it, that decision is yours alone.
 
(quoted from post at 19:41:47 05/23/20) Sorry if my answer offended you, that was not my intent. You did not ask anyone to give you a value of the pieces in your original post as I read it. You said "I would appreciate some opinions and suggestions if you have any." You asked "What do you all think?". I believe I answered that question when I said "I'd pass unless I had a real pressing need for it, even at a lower price." As for directing my comments at your capabilities or not to the topic I think the only thing I asked was if you had a CDL. That seems to me to be a realistic question to ask someone looking at buying a tractor trailer. As for asking about commercial (Fed DOT) inspections on the tractor and trailer that tells some of condition. If they are currently licensed, inspected and on the road, to me that would indicate a better condition of the equipment.

Good you have priced some steering clutch parts for the dozer, but there may be bearings and other parts needed you didn't account for, which if needed, would run your price up some. Maybe I would replace things you won't, so my thoughts on cost are higher than yours. Maybe you won't need a thing and it will be less than your estimate, I hope it is if you buy it. Just a difference in the way we see a project and estimate based on our past experiences.

I have seen an old tandem axle, load over the rear low bed trailer sell for $500.00 in the past 6 months. That would be the best comparison I would have to value it, based on the information you provided.

1982 Ford single axle COE tractor, $1500.00 to $2000.00, based on prices I've seen lately for such.

So $2500.00 from his original $6800 leaves $4300.00 for the crawler.

Not bad if the steering clutch is the only problem with it, as you say. If you have a need for the equipment and you feel comfortable with the deal you need to decide if you want to go for it. Sounds like you have a need for the equipment. Do you think it is worth the price? You are the one looking at buying it, that decision is yours alone.


Jim, you have absolutely no reason to apologize. Someone else does, and it's not Wore Out.
 
bret, being a ex new york state patrol you probably dont know much about respecting people so you may have a hard time understanding.

Responses like these examples would have been expected from my original post.

"those dozers are notorious for cracking heads so....".

"ford cab overs are junk, i drove one for years and......"

" You cant go wrong with a Cummins Big Cam 3"

Or anything relevant to what i asked.

In my post there is a ford cl9000, there is a lowboy trailer, and there is a TD-18A crawler w/dozer blade. If you have nothing to say about one of those 3 items then you shouldn't say anything. Anything else would be an assumption. When people don't have facts they are left to assume. And personal experience is all one has to base assumptions from. So when you assume that a person cant do something it is because you can't either.assume they dont know, because you dont . Just like one tends to assume that because
They can do it so can others.

And it is disrespectful to assume things about someone. And Many things about me were assumed. Well i am not you. Just cause you dont have the tools, hoist ,cranes, knowledge or skills to work on a old crawler doesnt mean that i dont either. You assume i dont have a CDL. How many people would even consider buying a tractor trailer, load a 30k pound dozer on it if they didnt have a CDL. You assume that the truck couldn't pass inspection. Why would a truck that runs great not be currently legal. To assume i am like you is very disrespectful. Im talking about you woreout.

Your ok Jim, you at least had some legitimate info to share.
 

You were disrespectful to pretty much everyone from the start. No one else here acts like that. You didn't get the answers you wanted so you attacked people. You owe apologies to a lot of people who were just trying to help you.
 
"I have seen an old tandem axle, load over the rear low bed trailer sell for $500.00 in the past 6 months. That would be the best comparison I would have to value it, based on the information you provided.

1982 Ford single axle COE tractor, $1500.00 to $2000.00, based on prices I've seen lately for such."

This is the only actual information that has anything to do with my post. Thats it. nothing else has anything to do with what i asked. Ya Super helpful. Helpful comments dont start out with " No Disrespect". If you feel the need to start your post by saying that. You probably don't need to say it. You cant be disrespectful to a machine. Only people. Who made this personal with stupid comments? Not me.
 

I read all the comments in both areas you posted. You went off on people who were trying to help you right from the start because old guys with a bunch of experience under their belts didn't give you the exact answer you were looking for. So you attacked them. That is NOT how things are done here. I tried to tell you that and explain it and offered what opinion on the package I could and you attacked me and made snide comments about being a retired Trooper. I don't know why you would think this is how you get good information, but it's not. If you can't handle people not doing exactly what you want at the snap of your fingers, then this likely isn't the right place for you.
 

Yup your a cop alright. Making stuff up as you go along.

If you look at the other posting in tractor talk you will clearly see the first response of mine starts out with " thanks for responding".ya that's So disrespectful. And the next one doesnt mention a single person and im talking about the dozer to which you told me to " chill out and lose the attitude". Which i didnt even respond to or even refer to anything you said at all actually. At which point i realised i was wasting my time cause because all but a few people were just making dumb comments that had no purpose. So i finished with " i appreciate the few logical responses (good or bad)" that i got. And let a few know they had no clue what they were talking about and were just talking to talk. Which is the truth. They had no input good or bad on the topic of discussion. But i didn't say one single word about you Bret. Nothing at all. And yet you felt the need to tell me to "chill out and lose the attitude" .

I didnt have one until you said that. And then again in this posting you chime in with no useful information just to tell me i should apologise. Apologise for what? Im supposed to apologise because some people cant follow the topic of conversation. Apologise because they can't contribute any useful information but they still feel like they have to say something anyway. Sure, while im at it why don't i just apologise for every dumb thing that comes out of our presidents mouth.
Or here's a better idea, if you dont know what your talking about, just shut up and dont speak. That way we won't have this problem.

Leave it to a cop to instigate nothing into........ Well turn on the news and take a look .
 
(quoted from post at 07:43:10 05/31/20)
If you can't handle people not doing exactly what you want at the snap of your fingers, then this likely isn't the right place for you.

You were a cop.
The first words out of your mouth were

" You need to chill out and drop the attitude"

I did not tell anyone to do anything for me or demand they do it right now. I dont get off on the whole control/power thing. That would be more your thing im thinking.

Final words

Thanks to the few people that had some legitimate info and comments about the actual equipment in question. Both Good and bad i appreciate it. Sorry i had to call some of you idiots. Your probably not but if you act like one your going to be labeled as one. Im sure your all good guys though.

FYI. I did end up buying the package for $5000
 
I'm not taking any sides here but thought I would point out.
(quoted from post at 03:09:29 05/30/20)being a ex new york state patrol you probably dont know much about respecting people so you may have a hard time understanding....11 sentences later...
And it is disrespectful to assume things about someone.

I'm new here but not new to forums. There is a lot of new forum members who post similar things, the "should I buy this and how to fix it." Gets old but someone steps up to the plate and answers the question and helps them along. I know when I was the new guy I was surprised that there weren't a lot of responses I was expecting. Pictures usually elicit more responses. I think the OP got what OP needed from Jim when Jim said OP couldn't (probably) flip it (the usual end result of the "worth" question) and OP replied that it was personal; once the equipment is personal/pleasure use then worth is purely subjective. If you like it you will buy it and if not you will not. [b:418a297789]I do really like that the OP did keep the cliffhanger ending at bay with the final decision and actually the price.[/b:418a297789] Now someone searching the universe of form posts will actually find the relative value of the equipment.
 
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If you want something to play with that is not going to make any money go for it,the steering clutch is probably stuck from been parked and may break free with a bit of work,a nice bit of nostalgia if you got the space, IH made lovely looking machines,it's a pity they are gone.
AJ
 

You were were rude from the start in your response to people. Simple as that. You don't get what you want, so you attack and when you get called on it, you try to blame someone else. Typical. Hope this is the last we see of you if you can't learn to be civil.
 

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