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Al nickel

11-18-2020 07:04:02




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I have a 1948 Case D with a terrific scale issue. It must have been run for years with water only. Last year I removed the rad and had it reverse flushed at a rad shop. I also vacuumed out the block as best I could.

The tractor still overheats.[no thermostat]

I guess I need to return to the rad shop and get rad recored ?

But how would I get the block cleaned out ??




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RonSa

11-22-2020 13:53:45




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  

For your amusement, here is my efforts at cleaning the rust flakes out of my 1930 L and 1938 C Case engines. Because objects tend to move downhill when "blasted", in this nose-down position the flakes tended to moved forward within the block. Most un-trapped rust could then be removed thru the inlet port and the water pump opening.

Rust is magnetic so a magnet on the end of a flexible wire also helps remove rust. This effort ended 99% of any rust flakes appearing in the top of the radiators.

There is line-of-sight, and enough clearance through the inlet port, to stick a small rigid tube all the way to the back of the block and blast air and or water to the back left side of the rear sleeve.

A pile or rust flakes (maybe partially clumped behind the rear sleeve) is porous--somewhat like gravel. Therefore, the almost stagnant coolant within the clump, will be in contact with 99+% of the sleeve's OD area that is encountering rust flakes.

Around 220-25 degrees more or less, unpressurized 50-50 antifreeze will start to boil and form steam bubbles. These steam bubbles will rapidly migrate upwards and out of the clump carrying heat away from the sleeve's surface. Liquid coolant will rapidly reoccupy the area where the steam bubble formed. The steam bubbles will rapidly condense back to liquid within moving antifreeze.

Bottom line, trapped rust behind the rear sleeve is quite harmless. Both metal and oil are "comfortable" up to 250 degrees.

The powerful Case water pump is a mixed blessing. On the negative, it tends to "vacuum up" rust flakes that are not trapped within the engine and put them at the top of the radiator.

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Al Nickel

11-19-2020 05:18:45




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  
This D has a new water pump. I am thinking that reverse flushing the block could get lots of scale out ??? or at least to the front where I could vacuum it out ??
I sure do not feel like pulling sleeves etc.



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rustred

11-19-2020 07:43:37




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al Nickel, 11-19-2020 05:18:45  
yes, but is the coolant circulating as i asked, if not, you have plugged rad cores. just because the sleeves have scale it will not make the tractor heat. and what do you mean by heating, / ready to boil? use a temp gun to check the rad temp at the top and at the bottom. cool at bottom means no circulation.



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casecollectorsc

11-19-2020 06:14:35




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al Nickel, 11-19-2020 05:18:45  
Unless you use a large volume of water and air, I doubt the scale from the rear of the block will move.



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rustred

11-18-2020 08:59:00




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  
what i am getting at is if the bottom of the sleeves are scaled up it will not make the tractor heat. the heating is from the water pump not circulating or a plugged rad. the heat is produced in the head.



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casecollectorsc

11-18-2020 07:53:20




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  
The scale will accumulate around the rear sleeve. I have pulled the head and used a water hose with a 1/4 pipe nipple attached and a air blow gun to clean the back of the block. Keep working the scale from the rear to the front where it can go out the lower radiator hose outlet. Saves you from pulling the sleeves if not equipped to do so.



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rustred

11-18-2020 07:40:47




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  
is the water pump circulating the coolant? without a thermostat you will see the coolant flowing around, or is it just sitting there?



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J Hamilton

11-18-2020 07:24:02




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 Re: 1948 Case D in reply to Al nickel, 11-18-2020 07:04:02  
You'll need to pull the sleeves. I had to do that on my DC. You'll get build up behind the sleeves and no matter how much rinsing and flushing you do it will not come out, I've tried.



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