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600B Starter Question.

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L.Fure

05-22-2020 14:21:10




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I didn't get anything done with the hydraulic problem I posted yesterday. What I spent my time on was trying to get the engine started so I could drive the tractor into the garage. It ran when I parked it yesterday, but couldn't get the starter to turn over the engine. Long story short, the starter motor is shot. Anyway, I looked up a starter on the Case parts website and came up with two different starters. One being a Delco and the other an auto-lite. Mine is a Delco. Would either one work on my 600B gas, or do I need to get a Delco starter? I don't think my Delco starter can be rebuilt, because I saw smoke coming out of it. Most likely the armature is cooked.

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L.Fure

05-24-2020 05:22:05




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  
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Ok thanks, I haven't had the displeasure of working on that type.

Good luck with it.

Joe[/quote]

Joe,

You must like working on starters as much as I do. I think the insides of a starter stinks. It's a smell that's hard to get rid of.



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Joe (Wa)

05-24-2020 03:15:41




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  
Here's what the brush set looks like in my starter.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delco-Starter-Repair-Rebuild-Kit-Brushes-Springs-Marine/331893209667?hash=item4d46607a43:g:gs4AAOxyJs5RcM3~[/quote]

Ok thanks, I haven't had the displeasure of working on that type.

Good luck with it.

Joe

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L.Fure

05-24-2020 02:29:46




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I don't understand that. Brushes have to be able to move in the holder to compensate for the difference between stationary and running center of the commutator.

Joe[/quote]

Joe,

Here's what the brush set looks like in my starter.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delco-Starter-Repair-Rebuild-Kit-Brushes-Springs-Marine/331893209667?hash=item4d46607a43:g:gs4AAOxyJs5RcM3~

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Joe (Wa)

05-23-2020 19:39:16




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  
These brushes are held onto the holder with a screw. The lead and brush is held by the same screw.[/quote]

I don't understand that. Brushes have to be able to move in the holder to compensate for the difference between stationary and running center of the commutator.

Joe



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L.Fure

05-23-2020 17:51:42




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These brushes are held onto the holder with a screw. The lead and brush is held by the same screw.



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Joe (Wa)

05-23-2020 17:35:12




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  
Brushes can be filed down to fit and slide properly in the holder and sanded to match the curvature of the commutator. The lead (wire) needs be compatible to routing and not interfere with brush movement in the holder.

Joe



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L.Fure

05-23-2020 16:41:29




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I took the starter apart between rain showers today. I think I can get by with a new set of brushes. The old brushes were worn down enough to not be able to make contact with the commutator. I called a few auto parts stores in our area. They couldn't even figure out how to look up parts for the starter. I even gave them the serial number on the starter barrel. There is a place run by Mennonites that rebuilds starters, generators, and alternators. They'll probably have a set of brushes for my starter.

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mEl

05-23-2020 15:00:38




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  

I concur with what Brad said, at least get an estimate!



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bradley martin

05-23-2020 14:57:19




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  
I think any competent auto electric shop could repair your current starter. I just had a new armature installed in a Delco off a 930 and the bill was only $130.CDN. That would be less than $100.US. Unless your starter is totally obsolete, I would first take it to a local shop to get their opinion.



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mEl

05-23-2020 14:16:27




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  

Got a gut feeling both would work, i doubt there would be ring gear change between the two starters. On our competition tractors with two bolt starters with high compression we are running John Deere gear inline gear reduction starters with a drive change to match the Case drive tooth count.



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mEl

05-23-2020 14:16:12




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 Re: 600B Starter Question. in reply to L.Fure, 05-22-2020 14:21:10  

Got a gut feeling both would work, i doubt there would be ring gear change between the two starters. On our competition tractors with two bolt starters with high compression we are running John Deere gear inline gear reduction starters with a drive change to match the Case drive tooth count.



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