power steering line for case 320 tractor

ejensen · Feb 16, 2019

The following power steering lines ; case part numbers;G45052 G45089 are no longer from Case/IHC parts. Wanted to know if lines could be made by a place that makes up hydraulic lines. Might be able to remove the fittings from ends of the lines and press new lines on the old fittings

Jim.ME · Feb 16, 2019

You should be able to get those made. In the photo the fittings on the cylinder end look like inverted flare. Some fittings of that type were used on automobile power steering hoses. A place that makes hoses should be able to get the fittings within a day or two, if they don't have them in stock. You will be best served to take the hoses with you so they can ID the fittings on both ends, unless you are comfortable doing that and telling them the fittings to use and the hose length.

The places around here won't use old fittings due to fit not being right between the hose, the old and new fitting components, and the liability that leads to. There are some hose ends available that you can cut the old end off and weld it into the new fitting's socket, but you shouldn't need to go that route.

ejensen · Feb 16, 2019

Jim,
will take hoses to a place called nebar here in Ballard, Wa. They make up hydraulic hoses. I have been to them before and if they have to cut and weld ends it is very expensive. $100 each for a couple of lines much shorter on our TD6 dozer. I did it a different way rather than have them make up the hoses. Was thinking it would be possible to remove the hoses from the fittings and have new hoses attached on the power steering lines for the case>I tried to cut and weld ends on the fittings on the lines for the TD6. My skill wasn't good enough. Ended up cutting the fittings and putting 3/8 rubber line with clamps. No pressure involved with these lines. Will probably need to have the hose ends for the case power steering lines crimped due to the pressure involved.

Chris Seattle, Wa

Thank you, Chris Seattle, WA

Jim Pricer · Feb 16, 2019

Re: power steering line for case 320 tractor

Hey Chris, If you wander out to agricultural areas, a lot of parts houses can make them up for you as well. I live in Skagit Valley, and the Laconner NAPA has made them for me. Good luck.

Jim.ME · Feb 16, 2019

Hi Chris,

If it is the same Nebar in Seattle I looked at on line they show they handle Gates. Gates has inverted flare hose fittings. As I said they should be able to have them in a day or two if they don't stock them. My suppliers for Gates around here can usually have any fittings they don't stock within a couple days.

Yes, those need to be crimped due to pressure.

Good luck,

Jim

ejensen · Feb 16, 2019

Jim,
They have a lot of hydraulic parts and equipment
Custom hydraulic lines for the fishing fleet, industrial,
Probably the rake company. Last time I was there person
I talked to him as very well informed regarding
hydraulic fittings.
Also never ceases to amaze me how many people on
the forum, such as yourself, are so well informed on
tractors I have. I always learn and appreciate information
I receive from You and others on the forum

I never have figured out what The base case tractor is for a he 320
Have ordered most of parts for the tractor loader and
backhoe from case industrial dealers. The 320 I have is much lighter
built than a 580 case regards to axle, spindles
However an hour digging with mine is better than
a hand shorl

ejensen · Feb 18, 2019

Hi Jim,
Good to hear from You. We have a place on Orcas Island and live in Seattle. Our 320 is
on the island. Contacted the NAPA dealer at Eastsound. I had thought they could remove the crimped on hydraulic lines from the fittings. Was told they would not be able make repairs that way. Went to Nebar Hose and Fittings here in Ballard. They cut off ends of the old fittings and braze new fittings on the old fittings. $35 per fittings, 4 fittings or $!00 per line. Mine have rubbed on the steering parts front end for years. Have tied them up but a lot of damage to the lines was done prior to my obtaining the tractor. Have had the 320 for about 30 years.
Chris Would like to find a less expensive way to replace the hoses

ejensen · Feb 18, 2019

Jim,

Checked with Nebar in Ballard Wa. They cut ends off the old fittings and braze new ends on the old fittings. $35 per end and $100 per hose (two ends plus hose for $100) May have to go this way but seems expensive
Chris

Bob · Feb 18, 2019

Unless those lines have fittings that are WAY more exotic than they appear any decent shop than can make up hydraulic hoses should have the ends in stock. Sounds like the folks you are dealing with are incompetent or out for $$$ by blowing smoke up your %^^.

If not, have a hose made up with hydraulic compression fittings that match the steel lines at the end of the old hose and cut the old ends off and attach the new compression fittings to 'em.

ejensen · Feb 18, 2019

Bob,
I plan to continue checking into places that make up hydraulic lines. The prices quoted me today sound too "sky high"
Thanks for the reply,

Chris

Bob · Feb 18, 2019

(quoted from post at 22:57:18 02/18/19) Bob,
I plan to continue checking into places that make up hydraulic lines. The prices quoted me today sound too "sky high"
Thanks for the reply,

Chris

This is the sort of thing I am talking about, "flareless hydraulic hose fittings".

You have a length of hose made up with one of these fittings at each end, then connect them to the cutoff ends of your old hose no drama or brazing needed.

https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/flareless-compression.html[img][/img]

ejensen · Feb 18, 2019

Bob,

Good information thank you.
Chris

Joe (Wa) · Feb 19, 2019

Go down to the hydraulic shops at the water front in Tacoma. Buy reusable fittings and matching hose, cut to length and attach the fittings. That's where I got these fittings, already had the right hose.

Joe

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,
Thanks for the information. The hydraulic cylinder looks similar to the one on my case 320. What model is the tractor?
Chris

Jim.ME · Feb 19, 2019

Check with NAPA, around here most of them make hoses. Also many of the "old" parts stores. Some vehicles used those style fittings on power steering so they are not rare. As others have posted there are options around, some near you from the sounds. Good hunting.

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Jim,

I will continue looking around. Next time on the island I will take the lines off and bring
them back to Seattle.

Chris

Joe (Wa) · Feb 19, 2019

If you are passing through Tacoma try Williams Oil Filter Service at the link. It's been several years since I've been there but they had a wide assortment of fuel, oil, and hydraulic fittings. They made up hoses also.

The cylinder is on a 1956 Case model 310, it is off a 1957 Ford model 700 tractor. I am not familiar with 320 but I assume it uses the same Bendix cylinder as all the other Case tractors. Both are Bendix, identical outside measurement, a drop in on either tractor, hook up the your hydraulic lines and go. Rod packing gland is the only external difference. Internally, actuator parts are the same, control spool ends are different size, requires different seal kit as well as different rod gland packing.

Ford 700 & 900 tractors mounted the cylinder in the steering arrangement up along side of the engine so they were less prone to mechanical damage as opposed to Case cylinders mounted down in front of the axle.

Another pic years later with the original drag link vice the cobbled up one that was on it when bought.

Joe

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ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,
I think your 310 is the same as my 1957 320. Thanks for the information

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I was able to get a used protection plate for power steering cylinder on mine from Farmland Tractor,Oregon

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,
Did you adapt a power steering cylinder off a ford 700 on your 315 case
Have you ever removed rear axle shafts to replace seals?

Joe (Wa) · Feb 19, 2019

I burned wood for about 18 years after I retired here in 1998. I have about six acres mostly woods. Got a heat pump put in 2 years ago. Burn wood only during power outages, other than that I have been processing the downed or dying trees and give the firewood to an elderly couple up the road apiece. I did six cords last summer, heat about killed me. I turned 75 not long ago, if no one around here wants to clean out the downed trees in trade for the firewood it will still be there for the next owner when I croak. They ain't getting my tools or the 310, I am going to take them with me. They can have the 311B. The BH is on the 311B plus loader. 310 has loader only.

Joe

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,

Got one thing up on You. Just turned 76.Burned wood for years . Now just once in awhile. Cut 6 cords last year and it was a struggle for me. 20 years ago would have been ok .I use a 1953 ford jubilee with a ferguson loader. Great tractor for me.Very little use of the case 320 anymore. I like to cut wood. Have a 6
acre piece of property that is wooded. My grandfather cleared the 2 acre field on the property in 1920. My Wife and Son cleared the property again 20 years ago.Keep the field cut and cut up trees on the 4 acre hill part of the property as needed

Joe (Wa) · Feb 19, 2019

This pic is the Ford 700 PS cylinder mounted on my Case 310. That circled external packing gland for the rod is the only external different between The Bendix cylinders that Case and Ford used. The differences are internal. The external dimensions are identical, plug and play.

Joe

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,
I am impressed with your use of the ford 700 power steering cylinder
I?ve always wondered what I would do if the power steering cylinder broke on mine
Chris
How did you figure out to use the ford 700 power steering cylinder?

ejensen · Feb 19, 2019

Joe,

Do You have the website where You got the power steering cylinder used on a ford 700? Would like to have this information. Powersteering cylinders I looked at on the internet for a ford 700 looked different than the one You used
Thanks Chris

ejensen · Feb 20, 2019

Joe,
Found the following on the internet.Ford power steering cylinder part number231118

Chris

ejensen · Feb 20, 2019

Joe,
Very sure I found the power steering cylinder You used on your tractor.
Part number: 231201

BarryfromIA · Feb 20, 2019

I do not believe I could justify paying $1175.00 for a cylinder for the 210-b. I probably would convert to the char-lin type power steering.

Joe (Wa) · Feb 20, 2019

Ford PS cylinder p/n 231201 is the correct drop-in replacement for the Bendix cylinder that Case used on many tractors.

I was looking on Feabay for Bendix PS cylinder control valve seal kits because I didn't want to pay Case an arm & a leg for a kit that I could buy new-old stock for $5 or less. I found the seal kit. The seller also had a PS cylinder (Pic1) that came off a ford tractor. He was a consignment seller and didn't know anything about the cylinder so I just got the overall dimension from him. I looked it up on the New Holland parts site (Pic2)and realized it could be made to fit case tractors. No one else bid so I got it for opening price.

I bought a control valve seal kit from New Holland since the spool in this cylinder is not the same as the spool in the Case cylinder. Used my Case cylinder actuator parts to replace the worn out ones on the Ford cylinder. Installed, the only adjustment required was to line up the drag link (Pic3).

Joe

Joe (Wa) · Feb 20, 2019

Barry, the char-Lynn was my first thought as I had a spare. The cylinder ram on the 310 I bought was damaged while replacing the piston seals, also the rod was slightly bent. It needed a control valve seal kit. It was marginally repairable.

1. There are several negatives to installing a Char-Lynn not to mention the price of a new one typically costs north of $500, used ones invariable need a seal kit that is available but most people don't have the expertise to take it apart and successfully reassemble. I know that from having resealed quite a few of them as a young engineer on old tank ships in the early 1970's.

2. You need to get/fabricate a bracket for the Char-Lynn and bolt that to an implement rail if it exists/or fabricate on and cut the steering shaft to fit on the Char-Lynn. The installation instructions (minus the bracket/rail) are in some Case service manuals. I have posted instructions for 300 through 600B here on YT and can do it again if someone needs it.

3. You will need to seize the existing cylinder to use as a steering sector or fabricate something to replace the cylinder that will be compatible and line up with the drag link.

4. Char-Lynn's were used on general purpose tractors as they were designed to work mostly in ag functions not a loaders/backhoe. The steering gear box lever with studs is a very weak point (especially the 2 stud lever used on early 300rn) to handle the torque required for a utility tractor that is designed for loader work. Utility tractors are better served to have the steering torque after the steering gear box. The only purpose of the steering gear box on a utility tractor is to operate the ball stud on the PS cylinder to position the hydraulic control valve spool, virtually no torque at all.

Joe

ejensen · Feb 20, 2019

Joe,
Good job ,good price, adapting ford power steering cylinder. To your case, Mine is still working .
At least I know how to get another power steering cylinder thanks to
your sharing knowledge
Chris

ejensen · Feb 20, 2019

Barry,
Power steering cylinder on my case 320 is still working. I agree the 1100 dollars for the cylinder is too high for me if I needed one
Chris
I would like to find information regarding removing a rear axle replacing seals and bearings. Know how
to take it apart. Have a small leak of gear oil out the end of right rear axle housing. Axle has two bearings: inner and outer. Bull gear rides on the end of the splined axle shaft. Looks like support for the bull gear is the two bearings and the
axle housing

Jim Pricer · Feb 20, 2019

Wow, small world! I am a Lopezian. Lopez island high school class of 78. I never got far from the island, as I now live in the tulip fields.

ejensen · Feb 20, 2019

Hi Jim,

Nellie S Milton Highschool Orcas island class of 1961. Born on the island in 1942 . Grandparents from Norway, immigrants, came to the island in 1900. Long since passed away. We just sold the grandparents place at Doebay last year. Became too much to manage. Have a small place at Eastsound.
Went to school in Bellingham with Charlie Washburn from Lopez. Charlie is retired and lives on Lopez
Best to You
Chris

BarryfromIA · Feb 20, 2019

About 20 years ago I filled the power steering reservoir with power steering fluid for leakers. Before that it would empty overnight. It has not needed anything since. If it is below zero it has to run about 5 mins before it works right but otherwise it is ok.

ejensen · Mar 1, 2019

Jim,

I took one of the power steering lines,pressure line, to the NAPA store here at Eastsound. They made up the hose with no problems.
Chris

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