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G148 Head rebuild and questions.

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jandmoutdoors

05-31-2017 06:08:52




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I have a Case 320 Terratrac that needed the top end overhauled. I had the head sent to reputable engine shop and it was resurfaced and had new valves, guides etc installed.

I installed new liners and Piston heads / rings. I cleaned the surface of the block and checked for defects and level etc. I also checked the liners for proper protrusion all around before installing the head.

I torqued the head in sequence of the manual to the correct specs as best as possible. I had a hell of a time getting on a few of the nuts with the crows foot and torque wrench without it wanting to slip. Clearance there is terrible not a fan of that design at all. Stupidly I did not get new head studs.

I got it all buttoned up and went to start it and the starter with a tight engine showed its weakness so out with the starter and cleaned and installed new brushes.

Two questions here I filled the cooling system with water just in case for some reason I had to drain back out. I noticed on the carb side of the block slight moisture in two spots tiny drop of water. Prob a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyways.

Should I removed the head and get new studs and nuts ? Will this have ruined my head gasket and will I need another ? Would this seal itself once the engine was fired for the first time from heat and expansion ? Also I did not use any type of gasket sealer on the head or gasket before installing. The book didn't call for it should I have ?

Water level in rad didn't drop, I also check the oil and cracked the drain plug to make sure my liners were not leaking I also before putting the pan on filled the cooling system to ensure no leaks around liners.

I did the valve lash according to the book and specs, gaped the plugs and the points, did the timing on D.C. 1342. It wouldn't fire. I checked the plugs for fuel and spark they were drier than I expected and spark did seem a little weak to me. I am going to compression check the cylinders now after the rebuild this I didn't do I took for granted everything would be great. It gets frustrating after all the time, cash and money spent to be back to troubleshooting. I know I just got to get back to the basics and start ruling things out one at a time, just figuered I would look for any tips, advise or possible abuse from my oversight on head studs.

My gut tells me to take the head off and get new studs and redo it all but maybe it can be saved from this point. Thanks for the input

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jandmoutdoors

06-01-2017 07:14:07




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:08:52  
Well good news ! Went through everything all over again. It was me would start because I was one dam spot off on my cap boots. I could kick myself in the rear. But got wires set straight and man fires off like a top.

Ran for about 3mins and that small weep is gone. So I ran a few times for a couple mins each to get some temp goin and was trying get carb dialed in a bit. It will run steady now, I have to go back as soon as I get my torque adapter to ensure a better result and fire up and retorque head and check valve lash again.

It does have a miss not exactly sure what's causing at this moment. Will run till hot re torque do valves and then go from there see if miss is still present or clears up. It's making a slight pop through exhaust every once in while. Thanks for all the help guys I really appreciate it. Also if anyone knows where a fella can track down a 320 Terratrac radiator I would be happy. The guy before me has an aftermarket in it. It's taller and nose cap doesn't fit. I hate that.

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Joe (Wa)

06-01-2017 09:00:59




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 06-01-2017 07:14:07  
Good progress! Remember valve lash is set cold.

Joe



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jandmoutdoors

05-31-2017 12:19:30




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:08:52  
And Thanks Joe for the info as well I don't know how I missed that picture and the link before. Those are exactly what I need is Box end extensions like that. Good point as well on the new unseated rings. So technically until those rings seat themselves the compression could be a little low and will get better as they seat.



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pkreuter

05-31-2017 10:13:47




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:08:52  
When I did the head on my D I found a wrench like this on ebay. Worked perfectly.

Link

Paul K.



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Joe (Wa)

05-31-2017 07:32:14




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:08:52  
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I've not replaced studs and nuts either but weak, overstretched studs can be a problem. I would put that on the back burner for now.

I would go with John's retorque. In lieu of the proper torque extension lose the crowsfoot and use a box end extension on the side nuts. Review the torque info at the link. Run the engine to op temp and than retorque.

If still leaking, inspect the head gasket closely. Flaws evolving the top deck and head can show up on the gasket where it is not compressed evenly. New studs, nuts and gasket. I use dry gasket, some like sealers like copper coat.

Compression check on new, unseated rings is meaningless, a waste of time.

Joe

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Case Nutty 1660

05-31-2017 06:18:57




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:08:52  
I have never changed a set of head bolts/studs in my life on any Case engine unless they were damaged and myself I cannot see how that would have any effect on leaking, they are not throw-a-away parts like seen on many things today,but again just my opinion from my years doing this.
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jandmoutdoors

05-31-2017 06:30:55




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to Case Nutty 1660, 05-31-2017 06:18:57  
Thanks for the input, I was just hoping they were not like somthing of modern crap that would stretch etc giving me a improper torque read. I was also reading that often sometimes the gaskets will weep a tiny bit until I can get it warmed up and retorque. Just wasent sure if anyone experianced that. I wish I had the capabilities of pulling the whole block and having the plane resurfaced as well but I figured the chances of that warping unlike the head would be pretty minimal.

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John Saeli

05-31-2017 06:38:14




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 06:30:55  
I agree w/ Tom 100%. I've never changed studs either. In answer to your question about re-using the head gasket, no, they should not be re-used. "A head gasket is meant to be squashed once". Yes, others will pounce on me here & say they re-used theirs, but they probably don't change their underwear everyday either. My hunch is that by the proper re-torqueing, (ie: backing the nut off 1/4 turn, and coming back up to torque, in sequence), the slight seepage you describe will stop.

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Adirondack case guy

05-31-2017 07:09:32




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to John Saeli, 05-31-2017 06:38:14  
I concur with John 100%. Retorquing after a good warm up should solve your problem. Don't forget to reset the valves after retorquing head.
You had me a bit worried when you mentioned leak on carb side. If a block has been frozen it cracks behind the carb.
Loren



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jandmoutdoors

05-31-2017 09:42:00




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to Adirondack case guy, 05-31-2017 07:09:32  
Thanks glad to hear I didn't royally screw up. I agree with reusing gaskets too. It is an extremely small amount of drops. One or two slow weeps. I figuered as soon as it got hot and I retorqued it would go away but decide to ask the many who are familiar with them.

And special tools for getting at those head nuts close to the head besides a crows foot?



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Joe (Wa)

05-31-2017 10:43:43




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to jandmoutdoors, 05-31-2017 09:42:00  
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pkreuter's ebay tool will work fine, you need a 11/16" box end. Original tool looks like the pic.

Whatever tool you decide on, if there is an extension other than 90 degs or directly vertical to the center of the fastener head, you need to compensate for leverage. The link I posted above will calculate the correct input torque for you.


Joe

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jandmoutdoors

05-31-2017 12:14:16




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 Re: G148 Head rebuild and questions. in reply to Joe (Wa), 05-31-2017 10:43:43  
Awesome, thanks for clearing that up too !!! I was told a long time ago not sure where that when torquing extensions can play a factor. It's is quite possible I don't have them torqued enough as well.



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