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30 series Western Special question.

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1370rod

05-14-2012 20:28:26




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Durring a conversation with a neighbor he asked why did those tractor have that short wheelbase. I got this blank look on my face and said heck I don;t know. Want was the reason? Rod.




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Paul vd Merwe

05-16-2012 02:30:31




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to 1370rod, 05-14-2012 20:28:26  
To transfer more weight from the front axle to the rear axle manufacturers will use a short wheelbase (two wheel drive tractors doing mostly drawbar work).On GP tractors with three point hitches longer wheelbases are used for stability. Weight transfer is anyhow done through the three point hitch!



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Lamont

05-14-2012 20:46:57




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to 1370rod, 05-14-2012 20:28:26  
Not all Westerns were short wheel based. Some still had the front axle like a General Purpose but with the heavier 8-bolt hubs and 10.00-16 front tires. I think my cousin still has a 1030 Western like that.

Also, as to the post below, Comfort King General Purpose 930 and 1030 also had the tank behind the seat. 730 and 830 kept tanks in front of steering wheel.

Guess I just added more questions instead of any answers! LOL!

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Tom (Kansas)

05-15-2012 16:41:16




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Lamont, 05-14-2012 20:46:57  
I have looked at several of those tractors. The S/N list them as general purpose, not as a 1032 or 932. I think Case had a lot of wide fenders left over and they just put them on some of them to get rid of them.



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Case Nutty 1660

05-15-2012 17:30:24




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Tom (Kansas), 05-15-2012 16:41:16  
the wide fenders could be ordered on a "GP" model I knew several dealers that only got them in with them



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1370rod

05-15-2012 04:58:37




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Lamont, 05-14-2012 20:46:57  
Both you guys added facts that I was not aware of, nice info to know. Around here we would only see an occasional 9 or 10 and they always had the wide rear fenders and short wheelbase. Rod.



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casecollectorsc

05-14-2012 20:39:45




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to 1370rod, 05-14-2012 20:28:26  
They were the same tractor as 900 and 930 long nose; but western had fuel tank behind the seat. Case probably didn't want to spend the money to reconfigure. Shorter because tank is in the rear!



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DKase

05-15-2012 06:17:49




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to casecollectorsc, 05-14-2012 20:39:45  
I think you have the Standard confused with the Western. The Western is an 8 speed. The Standard is a 6 speed. The engine from a Standard will not fit in a Western. Draft-O-Matic 3 pt will fit on a Western, but not on a Standard.



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Jimmie D. Phelps

05-15-2012 11:10:59




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to DKase, 05-15-2012 06:17:49  
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I guess there is confuisson on the eight speed standards six speed standards eight speed western specials and six speed western specials what is realy confusing is they made six speed and eight speeds some of the same years. The picture of my (1966)930 is a six speed Comfort King Western Special Wheel tractor.

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Jimmie D. Phelps

05-15-2012 12:03:28




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Jimmie D. Phelps, 05-15-2012 11:10:59  
My book shows wheelbase at 84 in."s mine is now 110 in."s. I believe the old 600"s 900"s and standard 930(seat at back) were also 84. Could also be LA"s and 500rds too. Overall length of 930 CK"s 144-1/2 in."s



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Jimmie D. Phelps

05-15-2012 05:40:23




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to casecollectorsc, 05-14-2012 20:39:45  
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As you said all 900" and 930 standard had shor wheelbases. Basicaly the same as the L"s and LA"s. When you put the operator on top it made it seem shorter. I"ll add this. Shorter did make it turn shorter, but in dryland wheat farming you did not need to turn shorter. My neighbor had a JD 4630 and it rode better. So I extended the fron axle to the same wheelbase as a 4630. (26" more)ee this on the picture. I also extended my 2390. Pic, before and after

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Lamont

05-15-2012 13:23:11




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Jimmie D. Phelps, 05-15-2012 05:40:23  
Are you sure yours isn't a Comfort King Standard? The front axle appears to be non-adjustable and the rears appear to be the tapered, splined axles. If so, wouldn't that make it a Standard as opposed to a Western Special?

Maybe I'm consufed? LOL!



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Jimmie D. Phelps

05-16-2012 11:48:08




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2012 13:23:11  
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The picture of the book is the book that came with the tractor. It is what Case called it. Beings I"m in the west we never refered to it as a Western ,only as a Comfort King.. The name comfort king we always laughed at as as it was more comfortable than a 930 standard ( low behind seat front fuel tank) but it road rough because of it"s short wheelbase. The reason I extended mine. To me a standard 930 was the one with the seat behind and low and the fuel tank ahead of the steering wheel. Pictures of my 930 standard in 1961 and of my 930 CK now.

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DKase

05-16-2012 11:16:00




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2012 13:23:11  
You nailed it! Standards are 6 speed, and Westerns are 8 speeds.



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Jimmie D. Phelps

05-16-2012 12:15:52




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to DKase, 05-16-2012 11:16:00  
Out here. we referred the adj. front and rear axles and 3pt's as rowcrop and the ones with big fenders and non adj. axles and no 3pt. as standard weather or not they were called western or CK. Later series 70 series on we just call big rowcrop tractors.



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casecollectorsc

05-15-2012 16:44:19




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 Re: 30 series Western Special question. in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2012 13:23:11  
Nope,Jimmy is right its a western special. 64 930 Western Special is the same, but with the rounded fenders. In the 930 there was no standard. 800, 830, etc. with nonadjustable front axle and nonadjustable rear axle with big round fenders was a western. If they had clamshell fenders the were a standard! I have a standard 800. Lit. on a 800 shows the examples!



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