930 is it a western

i have a 1960 sn# 8165549 930 with 23.1 x 26 tires . what do'es a western look like ?

just like your pix ,LOL,, lucky you ,who is the co-pilot ?/ and whatcha got behind that 930 western ? ,, do you like the hand clutch ?

grandson ! can't plow without him . 4 / 16 jd .

How do you get a 23.1 X 26 tire to run in a 16 inch furrow?? It must mash down some of the freshly plowed ground.

This is not a Western Special. They did not come out until the mid 1960's.
A Western Special has big flat square fenders.

Great pic. That rig will plow ALOT of acres. This reminds me of my late father. He plowed alot of ground on several quarters with a 4-16 Deere trailer plow an a 66 930 6 speed on propane. I remember him talking about plowing from 6am til noon and then back to the field after lunch and back at it. That was before my time. Great to see your 930 and you guys at work with it.

Nice outfit. I can here feel the vibration in my chest from the motor exhaust just by looking at the picture. Case considered your tractor to be a standard. The Western Special wasn't born until the 8 speed with bar axles. Now they had two very different tractors. A General Purpose and a Western special. Same mechanically underneath but very different wheel, fender and axle configurations.

Forgot the picture. Here's a sample of a Western Special.

Same tractor, only in the General Purpose (Rowcrop) version.

I have nearly the same tractor in the barn.. Mine is a 1962, and I wish I had those wide rears, I like the looks a lot more than the 18.4-34's. Mine has a M&W turbo on it though.. (I found it that way). I drag a 6 bottom Oliver plow around with it.. I don't know how it'd do in heavy ground, but in the lighter ground I run out of traction long before I run out of power (rubber with some tread on it would help that though LOL)

I've shared these pictures many times, and I wasn't gonna include em this time, but what the heck..




I have invested in a much taller stack since the picture was taken.. LOL..

I'm hoping maybe next winter to have the time and money to repaint the old girl.. I've pretty well got the mechanical all worked out, now it needs the cosmetics..

Brad

According to my original 930 Case owners book your tractor is a standard wheel tractor. I have a 930 Wheatland witch is basicly the same as yours underneeth, 6speed and hand clutch and alot of power to pull with for 84hp. Good cheep horse power and easy to work on, Right now I have my eyes on another one I found in a fence row. Bandit

Tommy, I disagree about Western Special Cases.
My Dad had an 830 and serial number tag said "Model 832 Western Special". It was a 1962 and it had the large ROUND fenders of the dark color. A neighbor had two 1961 930 Western Specials with the same large ROUND fenders in the dark color. These were BEFORE the Comfort Kings. Most of those shown in this thread are Comfort Kings. The first one is not a Comfort King.

It's also a Comfort King and there were Western Specials BEFORE Comfort Kings.

(quoted from post at 10:44:06 01/26/12) It's also a Comfort King and there were Western Specials BEFORE Comfort Kings.

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Actually guys, not that I am an expert, BUT.. I have sales literature somewhere around here for the 930 tractor.. I believe mine is for the 60 or 61 model year.. Nowhere in the literature does it call a 930 a "western special" that I recall. I'm trying to think where I hid the literature right now.. I put it somewheres so I wouldn't lose it.. I am almost certain it was only offered in "standard tread" until 1964, and only was available in diesel and propane fuels until that point too.

My tractor, as well as the first tractor shown in the post would not be a Comfort King. I'll scrounge for that literature and perhaps scan and post a few pages tomorrow..

Brad

(quoted from post at 21:19:01 01/26/12)

(quoted from post at 10:44:06 01/26/12) It's also a Comfort King and there were Western Specials BEFORE Comfort Kings.

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Actually guys, not that I am an expert, BUT.. I have sales literature somewhere around here for the 930 tractor.. I believe mine is for the 60 or 61 model year.. Nowhere in the literature does it call a 930 a "western special" that I recall. I'm trying to think where I hid the literature right now.. I put it somewheres so I wouldn't lose it.. I am almost certain it was only offered in "standard tread" until 1964, and only was available in diesel and propane fuels until that point too.

My tractor, as well as the first tractor shown in the post would not be a Comfort King. I'll scrounge for that literature and perhaps scan and post a few pages tomorrow..

Brad

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Brad, I looked through my full-line Case tractor brochures from 1960, and you're right, there's no mention of "Western Special". When you look at the 730 and 830 pages one of the 6 configurations listed is Western Special: "Standard 4-wheel with full safety fenders and extra-wide, roomy step-up platform." The other 5 variants are Dual Front Wheel, Single Front Wheel, Adjustable Front Axle, Standard 4-wheel and High Clearance (830 only).

Even the first couple years of the 930 CK only had the one style - I think it was about 1965 when they put the squared-off desert sand fenders on the Wheatland and brought out the row-crop 930's.

You fellas got me scratchin my head.
Got me to digging.
First off, I led everyone astray with my earlier post about the westerns, so let me correct myself.
Went through countless papers on the 30 series and this is what I found. No expert here, just what I gleaned from my limited resources.

Early 930 long hoods, Case always refered to them as Standards.

Early 930 Comfort Kings with red round fenders, Case still refered to them as Standards.

About 1964, the first 930 Comfort Kings with big square flat fenders, (still 6-speed chain drive), Case for the first time used the words Comfort King Special.
The 8 speed gear drive was introduced about this same time and was called the Row Crop Comfort King.

About 1966, Case first used the words General Purpose for the row crop and Special was still the wording for the big tractor. Both tractors are now 8 speed on bar axles. This is the first time they made any reference to the big, wide, "western-style" fenders in the small print.
They do make reference to a Rice Special.

The 1968 info still refers to the GP and Special models. They never did refer to it as a Western Special. On a side note, they did say the GP could be ordered with the big, wide "western-style" fenders. Can't say I've ever seen one.

Next, let me say the 1030 info all follows the 930 and was never called a Western Special by Case, just Special or GP.

Now to muddy up the water, the 730 and 830 info is completely different. In the 730/830 line up Case offered a Western Special since day one.
Reason being, they were offered in 3 distinct models. The Standard, Rowcrop and Western Special. You couldn't take a 6-speed 930 Standard and put a 3 pt. on it but you could with a 730/830. So a Western Special was a bareback with large fenders (like the early 930s)and a Standard would have row crop fenders and 3 pt. on the same non-adjustable axle configuaration as a Western.

I can't find the info right now but I think the 630 with large red fenders was also a Western Special.

Take this info for what little its worth. Many of you know far more than I so let me know if I'm not accurate in my findings. I'm sure someone with the original dealer order specs or product details could find better info than I have available.

thanks Brad as to a 930/1030 with the wide fenders,, in a salvage yard by me are one of each model "GP" with the wide fenders the only ones I have ever seen, if memorie severs me right both were ordered with out 3-pt cnt

Straw Boss,
Thanks for your information. I stand corrected on some of what I've written here about the 930. But I do know for sure that the 1962 830 that Dad owned did have a serial tag that said "Model 832 Western Special" and that would agree with what you stated here. And the year of 1962 checks with the serial number tables in the ASAE Case book by Tom Stonehouse and Eldon Brumbaugh. Thanks again.

Regarding 630's, my 1960 catalog lists 6 models: Dual front wheel, Single front wheel, Adjustable front axle, Standard 4 wheel, Western special (w/full safety fenders) and the Grove special. Oddly, in the 630 individual brochure which has the "1961" line depicted on the back, the Western Special isn't mentioned.

Yes its kind of weird. Barely a mention of one with full fenders yet I've seen any number of them. Heres a picture of one. Yet they do talk about the 630 being available with an 8 speed shuttle shift but I've never seen one.

i have that book also it shows they only made 20 of them in 1960 that is a good reason to find out . thank to all