530CK Diesel starter?

TFLundyB275 · Dec 28, 2011

What is the differences between the two Delco Remy starters listed for the 530CK Diesel on the case parts diagrams? A36583 and A36582.

Wengers in PA lists two as well- 1107584 (A36582) and 1107516 (G44927).

I'm asking because the one installed on my 530CK is a 1107512, which is loaded with oil, and because of this the field coil insulation is ruined. I guess this starter is not meant to be used on this tractor, and dont have the oil seal?

I'm trying to figure out what to do to remedy this situation. The starter is not usable currently, and I can not find parts to rebuild it myself. Any advice would be helpful, thanks.

mEl · Dec 28, 2011

(quoted from post at 10:16:09 12/28/11) What is the differences between the two Delco Remy starters listed for the 530CK Diesel on the case parts diagrams? A36583 and A36582.

Wengers in PA lists two as well- 1107584 (A36582) and 1107516 (G44927).

I'm asking because the one installed on my 530CK is a 1107512, which is loaded with oil, and because of this the field coil insulation is ruined. I guess this starter is not meant to be used on this tractor, and dont have the oil seal?

I'm trying to figure out what to do to remedy this situation. The starter is not usable currently, and I can not find parts to rebuild it myself. Any advice would be helpful, thanks.

Back in the day as they say, there were as you note two starters. To add more confsion to the situation there were kits supplied by Case to help the starting power of the starters by updating the field coils and changing the drive to a 9 tooth gear drive and a new rear casting to make the shaft centerline change required by the difference in the diameter of the drive gear so it's a difficult task to get all the right parts matched. Its hard to mix and match.

If I were in your shoes I would put the 580 D Nippondenso gear reduction starter in place of the Delco. It fits but you may have to bend the hydraulic steering lines to the pump a bit to get the clearance to install it.
Those starters are not much more than it would cost to put fields and an armature, solenoid and drive in a Delco and then the starter will not near be the equivalent to the Nippon in cranking power. I would however stick with a Case Megavolt rebuilt as there are cheaper China knockoffs that are inferior to what Case sells. Good luck with your issues with your starter. mEl

John Saeli · Dec 28, 2011

Hey Mel: Sounds like you have had experience w/ the knock-offs? We sold 2 starters, promised to be Nipp's, but were in fact knock-offs. Neither one would run, they would bind because of misalignment, resulting from poor machining.

mEl · Dec 28, 2011

(quoted from post at 12:20:53 12/28/11) Hey Mel: Sounds like you have had experience w/ the knock-offs? We sold 2 starters, promised to be Nipp's, but were in fact knock-offs. Neither one would run, they would bind because of misalignment, resulting from poor machining.

John, Thanks for the verification of the knockoffs. We have the gear reductions from Tisco in stock but do not push them ( I am not sure of their Nipponticity) as we always stock the Megavolt Nippons and I recommend them for all the old three bolt bell housings, It is hard to do a good rebuild for what a rebuilt Nippon costs!! The way they are built makes sealing in a wet TC tractor a non issue as long as they are installed with a gasket. Incidently FYI the two bolt starter will fit and work on the three bolt bell housing also but the motor rocks out a bit due to differences in bolt placement, works just fine though.

John, Thank you for helping us out on the lining deal. I am looking forward to you and Denny being able to work together in the future.

Happy New Years to you and your family from the Bennetts

mEl

John Saeli · Dec 28, 2011

Happy New Year To You All!! Don't like to throw names, but the knockoff's we had came from where you mentioned above.

mEl · Dec 28, 2011

John. according to Megavolt whom we have had excellent success with the knockoffs are not wound with the same weight wire as the Megavolts so their performance may also not be up to par even if they fit physically.

mEl

TFLundyB275 · Dec 28, 2011

Thanks for the input Mel. I looked into it and you're right on, the Case parts site says those starters are right in range price wise.

I'll take your word on it fitting- it looks like a beefy starter.

I'll contact my Case dealer directly to make sure I get the real deal and not the knock off.

Questions- what is the gasket you mention that is needed for a wet install? Does it come with it or need to get it separate? Also, is there 2 and 3 bolt versions, or just the 2 bolt that works with the 3 hole housing?

Also, will this starter work okay with the 530 being a positive ground?

mEl · Dec 29, 2011

TF,

The Torque converter tractors had a starter gasket where the starter mounts to the bell housing thats all. It's just a gasket that matches the bell housing opening pattern. The Nippon for a 580 D is the starter you want as your 530 steering pump pipes will probably have to be tweaked a little due to the different shape of the starter. Both will work but I can see a lot of interference with the two bolt in your application as bolt placement on the two bolt starter used on the CDC later engine allows the starter motor to rock out further on a three bolt housing. BTW you will have to change the wiring as terminal placement is different and your original cabling will be to short but In a installation such as this I would update to heavy cabling as well then all will be new and with a good 1000 amp battery you are home free. The starter will care less which polarity it looks at. mEl

Paul from Ct · Dec 29, 2011

The COM starters have a seal A40228 to seal the oil out of the starter motor, and a boot A40222 that keeps the oil out of the solenoid. I may have bought the last boot this summer as they had to ship it from california when I had the same issue with my 530

TFLundyB275 · Dec 29, 2011

So I guess thats why there were two options for 530 starters- one for the COM and one for the not. Looks like that oil seal is the difference.

Mel- the Case parts site lists two of the 580D starters, whats the difference and correct one for what you've suggested to do? Both are re-manufactured, 87297364 at $282 and 104451A2R at $222

The 87297364 is listed as being 12V 2.5KW while the other has no info.

Also, I don't see a listing for the housing to starter gasket- have a part number by chance?

Thanks

Case Nutty 1660 · Dec 29, 2011

G 46873 is the gasket #

TFLundyB275 · Dec 29, 2011

thanks for the gasket number, I was looking for it in the wrong place...

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