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Case's first dsl., was there some Cummins influence?

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I am currently overhauling an 855 Cummins engine. Besides the differences in the injection systems there are some similarities between the 855 and the Casedsl. engines. It has been accepted thet Case designed their own engines and while this may be true it makes me wonder if they didn't borrow some design ideas from other engine builders. This has certainly been done in other facets of industry. I know the 855 was'nt being made in 1955 but Cummins was making diesels long before Case.
 
The way I read it. It was'nt till cummins started building the 3.9, 5.9, and so on. Case designed and Cummins built.
 
I always thought either Case influenced MM or the other way around. Lavorna injection, multiple cyl heads and even the cubes were the same. Also share the low rpm/high torque theory.
 
pretty hard to believe that they didn't get ahold of some engines from others and investigate them for ideas
 
The story I heard many years ago, probably more myth than truth, was the Case diesel was designed by the same fellow that designed the diesel motors for the German U-boats in World War II. It's possible I guess, given the fact German rocket scientist von Braun became the main force behind the US space program, etc.
 
According to Full Steam Ahead case had a Cummins in house in 1933 to study but Clausen didn't want batteries in farm tractors. Slowed development. Then they worked to use the Hasselman engine which was used in the L and LH as most of these were exported as power units plus some tractors were built and mostly exported also. The 500 has a Case developed diesel which again came from in-house work from the 30's on. Did include studies of the Cummins and much work on the Hasselman unit. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened to the farm market if Case would have brought out the "500" with a six-speed transmission in 1948. Man. when I was a kid at home on the farm that would have been something to plow and disk with!!!!
 
imho clausen was a blight on case developement ,,,King verses peasant mentality when it came to his striking workers and his loyal dealers and customer base ,.. imagine six or 8 speeds in all case tractors BEFORE W W 2 ,OIL FILTERS as Standard equipment , a standardized 3 pt hitch with draft control after paying harry ferguson his royalty ,choice of diesel or gasser,with all electric starters and lites ,,. and the erasure of the SC and r series from the drawing bd , the vac would had been allowed to have more WHOUP instead of being detuned with a inferior magneto that dropped horsepower and wrecked cases reputation durin the early 40s
 
They consulted with Hans Fischer from Lanova but my understanding was that more pertained to the injection system, I'm not talking about any collaboration with Cummins just maybe some shared designs, we know Case had a Cummins engine in the 32-33 time frame
 
Not to beat a dead horse but as you and most Case followers know Clausen should have been gone, the V, S, D, and L series all should have been one higher, IE V should have been the S and and so on, diesels in the new D and L's with six speeds, the engineers said no problem and had a 6 speed for the new "VA" series. Too late for what ifs now!!!
 
Even the case crossmount was better than the competion, but the C and L were way ahead of all the tractor companys. The thing you have to remember the depression years. Many companys went out of busness because of it. World War II saved the rest. So when the war was over Clausen contined his cautious ways to the company's detrament. My dad was that way about buying land so he never became a big land owner, which we know today would have been good. We can all see the way it should have been.
 
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