Case 200 B ???

I have acquired a tractor that I think is a Case 200B or 211B. I am not sure, as the identification plate is missing. The hood, although not clear, appears to have had a 200 decal on it at one time. The instrument panel has individual dials, not the cluster. It is a 4 cylinder gas, and it has a front end loader I assume is original. It runs strong so far. The questions I have, are 1 where does the Temp gage hook to? It has a temp gage in the dash, but the wiring was cut, so it goes nowhere. I would like to replace it, but I don’t know where it is screwed into the water circulation system. Question number 2 is on the left hand side of the engine block, as you sit on the seat, there is something with two wire screws on it, the wire has since left. Could this be a black heater? Did these come with block heaters? Finally would anyone happen to have a shop manual for this tractor that they would be willing to scan for me?

Thanks

Matt

As far as the ID on the tractor, you really need to post a photo. The 211B tractor has a front axle that you can adjust the width of the tire placement. I have a 210B tractor and it doesn't adjust. The temp gage is toast. The gage, cable and the sending unit come as one piece. The sending unit is just below the valve cover on the right side of the engine in with the spark plugs. You can find a set of gages pretty cheap on ebay. The one for the temperature is listed as "Heat". There is no block heater. I would guess the wire you are referring to is the choke cable, which would go from the left side of the dash to the carburetor. I have a I&T shop manual for the 200 series tractor but with my slow internet I couldn"t email it to you. If you have a particular interest I could send a page or two. A full shop manual is like gold. The cheapest one I"ve seen is listed on ebay right now for $172.00. I would recommend that you buy a parts manual sold here at yesterdays tractors. It will show most every part on the tractor.

Here are some pictures of the tractor, you can see the item I have in question as to what it is.

There is a number on the Block 197P06106 above the starter. does this mean anything?

The thing on the side of the block in the first picture may be a low oil pressure shut off switch. It may not have worked out for the someone else and they took the wires off and left it in. You have a 210B with the top of the line 21 loader. The standard 21 had single acting cylinders on the lift and used the tractors internal pump and had no external pump. Not a big outfit, but very handy and easy to get off and on.

Matt
Your 210B would have been born with a capillary temp sender/gauge combination. The sender would have been installed in the head on the right side between the #3 & #4 spark plugs. You can get a reproduction of that gauge from several of the suppliers that frequent this site (Don Livingston, John Saeli, et). Below is an example.



Or you can convert the temp sender and gauge to electric as I have done with the 300 in the picture below. Notice the single wire to the sender between the rear two spark plugs.



The sender on the left side is connected to the oil galley in the engine. Normally that is where a tube is attached that goes from the block the the rear of the oil pressure gauge. In the later models (i.e. my 570) that oil pressure tube was replaced with a sender and a warning light (some call them idiot lights) on the dash. It appears someone might have attempted to install an aftermarket or automotive electric oil pressure gauge/light on your 210B. - Joe

Technically it's a 210b, I believe.

The original temperature gauge was mechanical, essentially a bourdon tube pressure gauge with a temperature face plate. The gauge is actuate by a gas (R-11, ether,& others) contained in the connecting tube & in the thermal bulb mounted in the cylinder head between #3 & #4 spark plugs. When the engine coolant heats up the gas in the thermal bulb expands and provides the pressure to actuate the gauge which is calibrated to the pressure/temperature relationship of the type gas used.

When the tube is broken the gas leaks out and the gauge no longer functions. This can be repaired in one of two ways but neither is economical and few if any instrument repair shops will attempt it anymore. I have done my own using both methods but it is time consuming and trial & error.

The best way is to install a an aftermarket mechanical temp gauge or convert to an electric gauge that mounts in existing hole and a compatible sender in the cylinder head. In a Stewart Warner brand that would be the old style 240 - 30 ohm electric gauge & sender. You can swap the face of the existing Case logo gauge with that of the replacement gauge to make it kook somewhat original. If your present gauge has a wire as opposed to a tube that swap has already been done and you need to replace whatever is presently defective, I.E wiring, gauge or sender.

The Item on the left side of the block is a transducer to actuate an electric pressure gauge or a low oil pressure cutout or idiot light. It is tapped into the engine oil galley. Transducers are a viable resistor that converts pressure to electrical resistance in the same way the electrical temperature sender coverts temperature to electrical resistance to actuate a resistance type gauge. There appears to be a tube passing by the transducer. That tube is probably tapped into the oil galley also and used to drive a mechanical oil pressure gauge on the dash. A mechanical oil pressure gauge was used in this era on all Case tractors although you may not have the original gauge installed.

Your tractor appears to be a 1958 model 210B.

Joe

Thank you all for the help. I am sure I will be on here often as I undertake this adventure. I have just finished a 12V conversion on it. I noted that several diagrams of 12 V conversion put a Ballast Resistor between the Ignition switch and the Coil. Is this needed?

That is the serial number of the engine block.

I have the 12V conversion on mine and it does have the ballast resistor.

The more I look at the pictures, I believe you have a 1959 210b like mine. There are a few differences but it looks like the oil fill and gas fill caps would protrude above the hood if it had one. The 1958 models had the oil and gas fill below the hood with a door covering them. The picture is of my tractor when I started working on it.

I put the hood back on this evening to see how it fit, It was off when I purchased the tractor, and this was the first time I have fitted it. The oil fill does stick above the hood, the gas cap does as well. I don't have the doors, but there is a square opening over the Battery and the Radiator caps. Where was the ID tag located on these things?

Stephen, Look at the difference in the steering wheel on Matt"s tractor and your tractor.

Matt"s has a 1958 steering wheel with the woodruff key hub and the exposed acorn nut.

Your tractor has the 1959 steering wheel with the splined hub and standard nut. Your wheel is missing the medallion as in the pic. Pic is a 1959 311B but the steering wheels are the same as 1959 210B. If it didn"t come from the factory with power steering the medallion would have only the eagle.

The 58 & 59 steering wheels are not interchangeable w/o changing the steering shaft due to the different type hubs.

Joe

guys my guess on the oil presure switch is it was for the hour meter mounted on the dash, pretty neat as I have never seen one on a 200B but sure it was optional cnt

I'm really confused now. I've always been told the 1958 model has the hood configuration like the illustration with the exception of the radiator cap. This is what I've been looking at first to tell the difference.

The tag should be here. This is a 311B but the 210B that I have seen are the same. If is missing looking for mouunting holes. The "59 has a larger radiator than the "58 with the fill above the grill cap, no cover like the "58. I don"t remember about the oil fill & gas cap.

Joe

Joe the serial number plate on the 210B was located where his hour meter is. It looks like somebody took the plate off to cut an extra hole for the hour meter. The picture shows where I took the plate off my tractor.

Ok Steven, I"ll go for that. That is where the tag was on a 211B that I inherited in the late "60"s. It was used, abused and I couldn’t find a sleeve kit for it. Gave it away when I left the area.

Joe

Here is the hood in place on my tractor. It does not look like the one in the image you posted.

Matt I have been so preoccupied with answering your questions I neglected to welcome you to the 210B club. The 210B tractor is a rare tractor that was only made in 1958 and 1959. There were only 381 tractors made, 178 in 1958 and 203 in 1959. I only know of about 30 tractors that are still running.
I personally think now that you have a 1958 tractor that has some 1959 parts on it and the sheet metal has been modified to make it work. Probably the valve cover is 1959 and maybe the gas tank. The hood was 1959 and has had holes cut to let these items through. The very front section of hood with the radiator door is 1958. Unless your a purest I don't see any reason why the mixture of parts can't be made to look correct. On my tractor someone cut the door opening much larger for the battery. Rather than trying to find a replacement door and repairing the hood to fit, I just made an oversize door that looks similar to the factory door. Feel free to keep posting questions. Theres a lot of people here that are willing to help.

Stephan

Based on the materials I have, the only difference between the 1958 and 1959 200B series tin was the radiator had an inspection door in 1958, which fully covered the radiator cap. In 1959 the radiator neck came up throughout the tin and the cap was above the tin. Said differently, the only difference in the tin during the two years was the grill cap (which is the part of the "hood" that contains the headlights and the hole for the radiator inspection cover, or the hole for the radiator filler neck).

The crankcase breather neck and the fuel tank filler neck (and caps for both) protruded out of the top of the tin on tractors manufactured during both model years.

These attributes are different than the 300B, 400B 500B and 600B series tractors which went from 3 inspection covers to 2 between 1958 and 1959 model years. The 200B went from 2 to 1 cover. In both cases, the change was the elimination of the cover over the radiator.

It appears to me someone put a taller radiator in Matt's tractor (possibly a radiator designed for a 1959 model). That is not surprising given the rare nature of the radiators during that time that were only used for a a short production run..... because they were only used on a small number of tractors, no one has, nor are they likely to make aftermarket replacements.

Someone also took some liberties with a cutting torch so Matt's power steering reservoir filler hole was accessible without removing the hood..... Joe

Thanks Joe. Its hard to find information on these tractors. The only tin in my parts manual is the fenders and floor plates. In June you told me that the 1958 model had three doors on the tin so I've been going on that. With Matts most recent pictures I could see that his tractor was 1958 with some 1959 parts.

I too have a 210b. I purchased it about a year ago. The starter turns slowly and sounds like it is straining- is this normal? It generally will start after only a couple of cranks. (this one is north central connecticut- is that 31?)